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Mother of All Bomb Dropped in Afghanistan


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Sheryl
- 766 days ago - aljazeera.com
The US Central Command said in a press release that the strike was designed to minimise the risk to Afghan and US forces conducting clearing operations in the area.



   

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JL A (281)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 12:24 pm
Is all the focus on big weapons used in warfare intended more as a media distraction from corruption, investigations into Russian interference with elections and relationships with Trump campaign and current appointees? Thanks Dandelion
 

David C (75)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 12:53 pm
Me thinks Rump is compensating and distracting for something
 

David C (75)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 12:53 pm
support diplomacy, not war
 

Rob P (0)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 1:07 pm
...we've been trying to kill our way to peace for 15 years now and I don't see much progress, but the point isn't really peace, rather 'perpetual war' and largess to the military industrial complex.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 1:15 pm
One MOAB costs the US taxpayer $314 million.

? How many kids' education support would that represent? How many meals on wheels? Or subsidising health care???

And there are grounds to question whether ISIS is really in Afghanistan - or whether the name has been taken by Taliban groups as a means of tapping funding?

I wonder what shares DT has in the weapons industry ...
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 3:29 pm
Complete and utter lack of sense of perspective, and responsibility.
 

Animae C (508)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 4:22 pm
UNFRIGINBELIEVABLE!!!!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday April 13, 2017, 10:28 pm
Guess we know why Trump wanted an increase in the military budget but nothing else. In fact as Evelyn made mention to, programs that are actually being cut to keep this insanity going. I agree Rob, bombing our way to peace is not working - but a few people make a lot of money don't they.
 

Judy C (91)
Friday April 14, 2017, 2:10 am
If we wanted to defeat ISIL, the article says, we would have to use strategy in selecting targets. Trump is just beating his chest haphazardly in different parts of the world, and it is frightening to have him in such a position of power. He has no clue what he is doing. He needs to be stopped.
 

Dawnie W (250)
Friday April 14, 2017, 2:37 am
❤️❤️Noted...War weapons of all kinds are big business for war mongers and shady characters with ulterior motives. They cost millions and even the poorest rag tag armies seem to be able to afford weapons to kill but cannot feed their starving people. It is really sad and depraved, but what we all can do is a bit of a conundrum!❤️❤️

❤️Thank You...Dandelion❤️

😉💜ღ❤️Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ😺♥L💜ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all♥😺Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ💛ღ❤️😉
 

Arild Warud (174)
Friday April 14, 2017, 3:28 am
"Mother of all mistakes":
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday April 14, 2017, 5:29 am
On mainstream media I'm not hearing any voices that are questioning this let alone speaking out against it.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday April 14, 2017, 6:38 am
Mainstream media in Britain is running the narrative that ISIS ("so-called Islamic State") USED to occupy this territory. . .

Mainstream media in Britain is also running the narrative that Putin and Assad are the enemy

So, I think you can gather what my attitude to "mainstream media" is like in Britain. . .
 

Winn Adams (179)
Friday April 14, 2017, 9:43 am
:-( And where will this lead us to, more and more, and more and so on . . . .
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday April 14, 2017, 10:04 am
No better than ours Darren...... :-(
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday April 14, 2017, 12:59 pm
It has been a while since I counted on mainstream media for careful, thorough analysis & discussion!!

And over the last couple of years, this has been blatant. "Mainstream" now means "aligned with the powers that be" ... nothing to do with clear and free flow of real information ...
 

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Friday April 14, 2017, 1:19 pm
Noted, Thanks
 

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Friday April 14, 2017, 3:06 pm
Noted, Thank you
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 4:37 am
. . .and ironically, mainstream is where most of "fake news" is being generated as it's propaganda intended to destabilize countries such as Syria, Russia, large parts of Africa, etc.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 5:15 am
I hear you Darren - and now attacking the few small places where independent journalist are presenting the information. But when one is attacked that means they are hitting a nerve and are on to something.
 

Ciaron D (0)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 5:26 am
Actually the MOAB cost $227,000 per unit which puts it as one of Trump's cheaper actions as the Cruise missles cost $800,000 each fired at a Syrian airfield and the raid in Yemen resulted in the loss of a $75,000,000 MV-22 Osprey aircraft. If anything this was a PR stunt and with the fleet sent to Korea he may provoke North Korea and as the North Koreans will most likely flatten South Korean cities. If anything provoking North Korea will cause millions of deaths and possibly bring China out to confront the USA.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 5:32 am
Bottom line not a smart move I agree Ciaron and the cost to do all of this while DC is asking for those with the least to do without it is morally wrong in several directions. Give Peace A Chance seems further away than it ever has been.
 

Marija Mohoric (25)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 5:57 am
noted, thank you Dandelion
 

John B (185)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 11:11 am
Thanks Dandelion for sharing the link to the article. War without end.
Noted.
 

Janet B (0)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 1:07 pm
Thanks
 

Colleen L (3)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 1:12 pm
It's insane. Pray that it's not just the beginning of something bigger. We want PEACE not WAR. Thanks Dandelion
 

Peggy B (43)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 1:18 pm
I hope there are no repercussions on US soil. It's so easy for Americans to applaud bombings on other countries as except for 9/11 they've not had a taste of it themselves. They have never had to worry where they will sleep or to keep their children safe, but if the US keeps it up the terrorists attacks will increase. All these bombings do is cause more normal people to hate Americans. When you bury your family you really don't care about who they were targeting, just that your life is over as you knew it. Could you blame these people for joining forces with IS? This is what's been happening. The experts have said to stop the bombings, but once again bully America won't listen to advice from other countries or to the experts on the middle east. Ironically, they bomb the areas that are sympathetic and don't want the US to send in bombers. They really need to target red states that are screaming kill them all and not the blue on the east coast.
 

Donna G (42)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 2:18 pm
Funny how MSM, the Democrats, and some Republicans were against Trump for any number of reasons. Now that he is dropping bombs and firing missiles, they see him as one of them. I have said it for years: We can not achieve world peace by dropping bombs. I know that some people keep bringing up those terrorists; but, the biggest terrorist group in the world is the US government and the MIC.

 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 15, 2017, 8:34 pm
Got that one Donna, now he is "one' of them. Can start to connect the dots. Many of us have been saying for a while now, the Dem's and GOP are one and the same, in particular when it comes to the War Machine.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 12:25 am
It is curious that once people focusing on cost, official statements are coming out with lower "unit costs"!

Ciaron's comment reflects one of the lower "quotes" - but now they're saying $ 170,000 !!! Strange that initially the information provided was $ 314 million - when it was a proud statement!!!!

Equally strange, the pro-DT, pro-aggressive action, voices quoting the $ 170,000 cost are claiming that "Obama didn't hesitate to use drones at $ 100,000 a unit & nobody criticised this". Somehow - this comparison makes the $ 170,000 cost per unit very credible, given the huge difference in size & in destructive power!!!

Maybe the initial $ 314 million was a boasting exaggeration ... but I doubt these latest costs cited are accurate. I have a nasty feeling that the propaganda machine has kicked in to make the MOAB look "cost effective" ... because they intend to use more of them, & don't want to provide opportunities for people to scream about priorities for tax money ...

But in focusing on "cost effectiveness", there's something very sick and sad: these are human lives measured against cost.

And I'm quite certain that every action where US forces use killing weapons serves the interests of Daesh & the extremists for more than having any positive impact in the interest of ending the violence & conflict. The only occasion where weaponry use created sufficient "shock" to end conflict was when the horrific Little Boy & Fat Man were used. And the extreme impact also shocked the allies - far worse wider & longer term effects than even the experts anticipated. Hopefully, no world leader will take such extreme action again
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 1:23 am
We have got to concentrate our efforts at putting out / sharing the news and analysis coming out of the alternative press/media channels. . . that way we might raise and spread the awareness of the masses a little more.

What's happening currently SHOULD register and shock the ethical and moral compass within most of us. . . if it doesn't, we're either bought out ourselves BY the Corporate Elite / Military Industrial Complex and its sophisticated marketing techniques, OR we've simply not bothered to question much as we're caught up in our own smaller domestic dramas.
 

Raleigh k (357)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 2:15 am
noted shared Trump and his Generals made a very poor decision!
 

Anne Haarhoff (52)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 2:37 am
Staggering. Staggering. Staggering. Thank you, D.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 5:08 am
************thank you Evelyn. I noted the lowered amount in the statement made by Ciaron but didn't have at that time, the ability to address this thread further. I'm glad you did. Perhaps Ciaron can come back and place on here where those figures came from.

I know one article said that the cost to make "new" tomahawks has gone up so perhaps the ones launched were lower in cost but now the cost is higher. It could be a propaganda spin of lowering the costs brings it to a more acceptable cost level in everyone's mind. Living in a Capitalistic society everything, includes life, has a cost. Just ask them in DC they'll tell you, got the Heartless Ones on the GOP side telling people that it isn't affordable for them to have taxpayer monies subsidizing their Affordable Care Act insurance so they might just have to come to an understanding that if they can't afford the insurance and the treatments for cancer - then it might be the time to fix in their head their time is over - that told at a town hall to a man on the ACA and who was indeed dealing with cancer.

I see how these so called leaders and people in "positions" treat the citizen over here, thinking nothing of a life so for them to even be concerned about a life "over there" somewhere doesn't fit in their equation and many will go to the money first because a lot of people know that those in DC and our Corporate world do only "think" in money - and many people now so conditioned as well.

I think Darren summed it up in his last paragraph of April 16, 2017 at 1:23am. I wonder how many people in going to church will ask their minister or Priest to next service address this ongoing war situation, if it has not yet been addressed? Few I suspect.

And you are also correct Evelyn, acts like this fall right into the hands of Daesh. I'm sure they are making a lot of plans while I type this.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 11:20 am
Dandelion - I googled to check Ciaron's quoted figure, and found that there are many sources giving low unit costs.

But Wikipedia gives a unit cost of Tomahawks as "$1.87M(FY2017)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)

Somehow, I have trouble believing that a MOAB costs one tenth of the cost of a Tomahawk!! (If so - how come only 15 have been produced in 14 years???) - I agree with your suggestion of propaganda spin, I suspect a reaction to too many people comparing investment in this killing weaponry when there are cut-backs on basic human social services "because they cost too much". In which case, we won't see any Pentagon audit results - even if they manage to get this done (at last)!

(See As Trump Seeks Defense-Spending Boost, Watchdogs Cite Faulty Pentagon Accounting)

Curiously, Wikipedia gives no unit cost for a MOAB ...
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 2:24 pm
Hi Evelyn :)

The trouble with estimating the costs of these things is that the R&D cost of each new product gets bundled into the price of the initial set built after that R&D, and there has only been one set of MOABs built because the things are only useful under conditions which have been very rare in recent wars. However, the high-end estimate for the cost is under a tenth of the cost of a Tomahawk (~ $170,000). The problem with using them is that they do so much damage and wars have lately mostly been fought in cities, or against forces too small to be worth targeting with something like a MOAB.

The reason for the difference is that while the MOAB is a bomb, the Tomahawk is a self-guided cruise missile. The U.S. mostly uses external guidance-kits like JDAMs on its dropped bombs, which don't cost much either as their heavy work is done by GPS satellites which are reusable, so the MOAB is pretty much just the warhead itself. The Tomahawk, on the other hand, has to be able to be launched from submarines, fly 2,500 km under its own power, and guide itself to its target. To compare the differences properly, we should probably look at the cost to fly the aircraft per bomb.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 4:40 pm
Thanks Stephen for your additional information as well as Evelyn.

Bottom line, it's a hell of a lot of money be it one or the other. War is not cheap. When we are cutting out the meals for poor children in schools and the meals on wheels for the Elders I'd say we have our priorities mixed up. Our water pipes are in a disaster all across the USA, our bridges are expected to hold ever more traffic and yet in need of repair if not replacement. We have a list of things that the USA needs, war is not one of them.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday April 16, 2017, 4:46 pm
The other major problem with "costing" anything, especially human lives verses commodities, is there is a huge relative component.

HOW does one MEASURE the cost of a life, a human being? Is a rich person "worth" more than a poor person? Is a Lord, Lady, Viscount, Prince, King, Shiekh, worth more than an ordinary worker at Wall Mart, or Morrisons, Tescos, Marks & Spencer, or how about a toilet cleaner, roadsweeper, refuse collector. . .

When coming out with "figures" do they also take into account human labour and the welfare and rights of the workers. . ?

Do they also factor in, the cost of the damage to the environment. . .?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday April 17, 2017, 12:13 am
Darren - you can be sure they don't factor in any of those -
They'll only do so if & when sufficient pressure builds up to require the MIC to pay a "tax" for environmental rehabilitation & clear up. So far, we've not even managed to get mine clearance costs systematically footed by the makers of the mines ... A long-time "dream" which seems to me to be so logical that I get mad that the MIC isn't forced to pay into an international mine-clearance fund ...
 

Margie FOURIE (148)
Wednesday April 19, 2017, 1:49 am
Is no one worried about North Korea?
 
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