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Escaping Poverty Requires Almost 20 Years With Nearly Nothing Going Wrong

Society & Culture  (tags: 2 classes, upper class, lower class, USA, poverty, man made system )

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Following decades of growing inequality USA is now left with a two class system. One small predominantly white upper class with political influence and a much larger minority heavy but still mostly white lower class subject to the first groups whims.


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Dawnie W (250)
Saturday April 29, 2017, 7:44 pm
❤️❤️Noted... ❤️Wow! That's a tall order to get twenty years with nothing untoward happening.❤️Thank you...Dandelion.❤️❤️

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Freya H (345)
Saturday April 29, 2017, 8:07 pm
Twenty years and nothing going wrong - that's virtually the same as friggin' impossible. Once again, education is key; but getting a useful and affordable education, aye, there's the rub.


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Animae C (508)
Saturday April 29, 2017, 8:10 pm
Nothing ever gets better for the masses with right wing governments, we too are experiencing it in Australia!!

Liliana G (203)
Saturday April 29, 2017, 10:01 pm
Nothing here is new or surprising at least to me. The author knows this won't happen unless radical actions are taken by the people oppressed.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday April 29, 2017, 11:42 pm
Shared news article and analysis over social media to raise and spread awareness.

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday April 30, 2017, 2:58 am
There are some interesting ideas here (although perhaps over-simplified, or "sweeping brush" as the author says).
But there seems to be a "static" basis to Temin's argument: it doesn't allow for the fact that the whole scene takes place in continuously changing parameters of poverty, of what are perceived as "needs" (as against "wants") ...

And there is something I'd question. An assumption about education itself.

I feel that education at present is built upon old roots where school equipped people to take their place in a structured society - largely as good little "foot soldiers" in the labour army, knowing their basic facts & accepting their place under authority (as represented by teachers - then bosses). While lip-service was paid to the "American Dream" of "rags to riches", those who manage to rise to riches NEED the others to remain foot soldiers ... albeit foot soldiers who "need" the trappings of consumer society (freezers, air-conditioning, computers, iphones, label clothing ... all those things they've been conditioned to want & confuse with "need")

But our world today is different. And I believe we need (yes, NEED) a massive shift in the underlying mechanics of education. At present, individual children are able to seize opportunity to innovate, think creatively - and break away from the "foot soldier" mould: most of these have something in their environment that nurtures their personal capacities (parents, an exceptional teacher, a local community ...), enabling them to act for themselves. How many others, if their education environment were more nurturing, less pressurising to perform in formal tests & compete on pre-defined frames, could find their OWN place in an expanding society? Machines are narrowing the "classic" employment options - so earning opportunities really have to evolve elsewhere, but education too seldom encourages exploring alternative spaces. And such spaces might be far more satisfying than the old options ...

I'm not suggesting that all could make millions - but does making millions ensure happiness? I certainly don't believe so! Most millionaires seem obsessed with making more, being clever at avoiding paying a cent more tax than one absolutely must, becoming billionaires, getting more power, etc! But "success" is sold in terms of making far more than one NEEDS to have a relaxed, happy life! (And education sells this false narrative!!)

Real poverty is being unable to ensure that basic NEEDS are met without continuous worry about tomorrow, next week, next month ... : health, food, shelter, safe water, physical & mental security. And I don't believe it takes 20 years to move out of that. But it DOES require a major change in mindsets - for society, ensuring NEEDS are met for all, & for individuals, working out the difference between NEEDS and WANTS, rejecting sale of wholesale "WANTS" & taking one's own pick of what one wants, so one can move towards achieving those without getting trapped by competitive consumerism ...

There will always be those who can get most of what they WANT, and those that can only get some of what they want. But some of the "poorest" people I've met can buy anything they WANT - yet they lose out on SO much of human joys!!

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday April 30, 2017, 3:01 am
Bernie's Revolution would cut that 20 years!

Arild Gone for now (174)
Sunday April 30, 2017, 4:21 am
Amen to that Evelyn.

Winn A (179)
Sunday April 30, 2017, 10:54 am

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 30, 2017, 5:53 pm
Thanks Evelyn. I watched a video of one of the Amazon tribal communities and all they want is to be left alone. They have everything they need in the forest, so they don't need oil, they don't need all the "stuff" that comes with so called civilized society. They want to keep their way of life the way it is.

When they are hungry the river has fish, the forest has plants, they eat. When they need to repair their shelter they have the forest to go into, they don't have a 30 year mortgage or monthly rent to worry upon. When they are sick they go into the forest and there is a plant to make them feel better, so everything is at their fingertips for what they need.

For too long those in so called "civilized" society were told how primitive they were, how sorry we should be feeling for them, they don't have TV's or radios' or whatever it was that was considered a good life. But too many are in a rat race and can't get off the wheel, there are bills to pay, if the car breaks down repairs to that else one can't get to work to do it all over again. Should we feel pity for them? No I think they are very understanding that what they have is nothing to be pitied, it is to them glorious.

They don't need a swimming pool because the river provides a swim, nothing to clean and maintain as it is something they live in balance with. They don't have to go work for someone they don't like they need food it is there, and by living in balance with all that is around them, the food is always there. But what happens as they are being invaded, is there trees are being cut down, so their food sources and medicines go away and the mining and the drilling is messing up their water sources. This worries them, because they think for their children there will be nothing and how will they live?

Education isn't working here in the USA because by the time the children get out so much has changed. A full 12 years and they still can't balance a checkbook let alone plug into a society that doesn't offer them a place to plug into. The system that we have is impossible to manage within, it's very easy to trip up and fall flat on one's face with no safety net to break the fall. Once down it's near impossible to get back up, and it is just to take care of needs let alone anything else. More of my daughters friends have died before age 30 simply because they couldn't get a toe hold into this society and died without medical care. If you can't at least get into a position to obtain medical care your odds of even living decrease - and that is where the tribal people don't want to find themselves.

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Monday May 1, 2017, 1:30 am

Jess B (1)
Monday May 1, 2017, 9:25 am

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Monday May 1, 2017, 1:03 pm
Noted, Thank you

Raleighaway k (355)
Monday May 1, 2017, 7:45 pm
noted thanks

John B (185)
Tuesday May 2, 2017, 6:52 pm
Thanks Dandelion for the link to the article. Interesting and very true. Progressive need to get the message out.

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Wednesday May 3, 2017, 6:50 am
S&N, Thanks

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Wednesday May 3, 2017, 6:50 am
Sorry....Noted, Thanks

Lindsay K (6)
Sunday May 7, 2017, 7:38 am
Noted. Thanks for sharing. Could one problem be that in many places the people who govern are (have to be) wealthy to get there, and they just don't understand what it is like to face poverty day in, day out?
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