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Society & Culture  (tags: bigotry, homophobia, Equalrights, LGBTMarriage, MarriageEquality, Propaganda, USCCB, USConferenceofCatholicBishops )

Barbara
- 1829 days ago - change.org
THIS PETITION SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED. It's on change.org, not on Care2. But, it's AN EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF PROPAGANDA THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT, and the USConferenceofCatholicBishops, is using to TRY TO STOP EQUALITY IN MARRIAGE. Be forewarned! But DON'T SIGN!



   

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Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:15 pm
DON'T SIGN THIS OR I WILL NEVER SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN!
SERIOUSLY!
However, it is GOOD TO KNOW the ARGUMENTS the Bigots put forth.
And THINK ABOUT THEM.
Besides, NOW THAT THEY ARE SO CLOSE TO LOSING -
the BIGOTS ARE COMING OUT IN FORCE.
This sort of thing is, suddenly, ALL OVER THE INTERNET, now more than ever -
including on Care2!
 

David B (27)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:21 pm
I have not signed this. Will you still love me tomorrow?
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:25 pm
The USCCB - the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops -
is ONE OF THE MAJOR FACTORS FIGHTING TOOTH & NAIL AGAINST EQUAL RIGHTS.
This is IN SPITE OF the fact that "the Pope seems like such a nice guy"
and IN SPITE OF the fact, that the LARGE MAJORITY OF U.S. CATHOLICS, are IN FAVOR OF Marriage Equality!!!
The USCCB - the Catholic Bishops - are, of course, allied with the Evangelical Protestants and other Religious Bigots also. But, they are MORE IN THE BACKGROUND. They prefer to exercise their power more quietly than the Evangelicals do...
The Pope himself being, or appearing, like a "nice guy" and "tolerant", IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS ONE BIT - and they hold, apparently, real power in the U.S., at least, the power to OBSTRUCT.

The argument against Same-sex marriage from so-called "Natural Law", is a WEAK ARGUMENT:
Here it is:
[Same-Sex Marriage] Violates Natural Law

'Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.

Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.

Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.

Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)'

[The Catholic argument from so-called "Natural Law", is a RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT that spuriously attempts to MASK ITSELF AS A "SCIENTIFIC" ONE.
This does nothing to disguise its ARBITRARY NATURE. It is rooted in "custom" and RELIGIOUS TRADITION and NOTHING ELSE.]
 

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:29 pm
I would never sign this and shame on the people who do !
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:31 pm
David - If I have your PROMISE FOREVER..... :-P

An example of the SPURIOUS "REASONING" OF CATHOLICS is on vivid display in the Care2 Causes article on the FACT that in some Early Christian Churches, Same-sex Marriage was PRACTICED AND SANCTIFIED.....
a FACT that makes Catholics SQUIRM!!! They don't WANT to acknowledge that!

Of course, "Holy Roman" Catholics DON'T LIKE TO ADMIT THAT THERE WERE "OTHER" CHRISTIAN CHURCHES in Early and Medieval Times, besides the "Holy Roman Catholic" Version.....
 

Fran F (116)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:34 pm
I would like to have been a fly on the wall when change.org decided to welcome the rabid right. Thanks for calling this to our attention!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:36 pm
More SPURIOUS "REASONING".
I just want everybody to BE AWARE -
this seems to be a CONCENTRATED ATTACK on Marriage Equality and Human Rights, ALL OVER THE INTERNET right now!
These guys are LOSING, and LOSING BIG, and are DESPERATE!
The Younger Generation, is simply NOT LISTENING TO THOSE RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS THE "HOLY" CHURCH TRIED TO BRAINWASH THEM WITH!

Anyway, here is more Gibberish/Garbage:
It Is Not Marriage

Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.

The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.

Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.
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UH-HUH. And so on and so forth.....
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:43 pm
About maybe a year or so ago, change.org CHANGED THEIR POLICY as well as their way of treating people who came to the website.
Lots of people OBJECTED - but, nothing was done about the objections!
Change.org decided they would accept ANYBODY'S petitions, and not judge...

A lot of people decided to BOYCOTT change.org, myself included...
But, change.org DOES HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PETITIONS ABOUT GAY RIGHTS, more than other sources in fact....
[This particular Petition is an anomaly.....]
So, reluctantly, I decided it would do more good than harm, ultimately, to sign LGBT Rights Petitions on change.org....
Still, not happy about their change-of-policy, never will be.....
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 10:48 pm
Check out this Care2 Causes article!
Nearly, or maybe over, 800 posts by now, and rising....
A couple of the Bigots are GOING CRAZY about this!

'In the famous St. Catherine’s monastery on Mount Sinai, there is an icon which shows two robed Christian saints getting married. Their ‘pronubus’ (official witness, or “best man”) is none other than Jesus Christ.

The happy couple are 4th Century Christian martyrs, Saint Serge and Saint Bacchus — both men.

Severus of Antioch in the sixth century explained that “we should not separate in speech [Serge and Bacchus] who were joined in life.” More bluntly, in the definitive 10th century Greek account of their lives, Saint Serge is described as the “sweet companion and lover (erastai)” of St. Bacchus.

Legend says that Bacchus appeared to the dying Sergius as an angel, telling him to be brave because they would soon be reunited in heaven.

Yale historian John Richard Boswell discovered this early Christian history and wrote about it nearly 20 years ago in “Same Sex Unions In Pre-Modern Europe“ (1994).

In ancient church liturgical documents, he found the existence of an “Office of Same Sex Union” (10th and 11th century Greek) and the “Order for Uniting Two Men” (11th and 12th century Slavonic).

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/the-forgotten-history-of-gay-marriage.html#ixzz2z7TycryW
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So glad Care2 RE-POSTED this article from a couple of years ago!!!
 

Ana MESNER (201)
Wednesday April 16, 2014, 11:42 pm
Noted - sick!!!!
Thank you.

 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 12:40 am
You do realise that there are a certain number of people that note & sign things here, through C2NN, without even reading them? I don't know why ... I won't sign a petition unless I've read it carefully (& sometimes check the facts, too) - Maybe they "trust" C2NN members not to post unacceptable things.

Maybe a safer way of flagging this would have been to get an article into Care2 causes - and then post that link to draw attention? And post that on C2NN
Or do a Care2 petition addressing Change, asking to ban hate petitions ...? And post that on C2NN
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 1:38 am
Evelyn: Well, last I looked ONLY 5 people had signed - and that was BEFORE I posted this here!
I don't care if people "note" this!
I think they won't sign, most people who "note" my stuff are in sympathy with what I post!
Besides, this is a change.org Petition.
If it were a Care2 Petition, I'd try to get it removed!
There are people who'll sign a Care2 Petition - I've seen it! - the MOST STUPID ones, and JUST TO GET 50 BUTTERFLY POINTS!
So, if it had been a C2 Petition, I wouldn't've posted it...
About asking change.org to ban hate petitions....
Unfortunately, as I posted above, change.org HAS A ROTTEN POLICY ON WHAT PETITIONS THEY ACCEPT - just about anything! and they spelled this out a while ago, it was a DELIBERATE CHANGE from what they did before.... change.org MAKES MONEY from some Petitions.... rotten! One only has the choice to boycott... and I chose not to go that route...
I think this is "safe" enuf - that Petition ain't going anywhere...
 

Animae C (508)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 2:58 am
Thanx BMT, would never sign something like that.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 3:43 am
This is an example of A PETITION THAT I WOULD NOT WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO - except to get it REMOVED FROM CARE2.
This is the MESSAGE I sent to Care2 "help" about it.
[There is NO GOOD AND EFFICIENT WAY TO NOTIFY CARE2 OF BAD PETITIONS.
I sure wish there were!!!]
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Message:
This is an AD DISGUISED AS A "PETITION" ON THE ACTIVIST PETITION SITE!

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author: Sunny Lin
target: Cheap Wholesale Jerseys,buy Jerseys from china,wholesale china jerseys nfl online
signatures: 3
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Again, it is those FACTORIES IN CHINA that COMPETE WITH CARE2 REGULAR ADVERTISERS in SELLING FAKE NAME-BRAND GOODS that are MANUFACTURED WITH SLAVE LABOR.
These guys NEVER GIVE UP, do they!!!
These are ILLEGAL, CONTRABAND GOODS that CANNOT BE LEGALLY ADVERTISED ANYWHERE!
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If you run across this AD, disguised as a "Petition", or ones like it -
PLEASE NOTIFY CARE2! Even tho it's clumsy and inconvenient....
Try the "help" thing at the bottom of the screen....

As I said above, the goods advertised are INTERNATIONALLY ILLEGAL since they "steal" copyrights of the REAL trademarks and brand names....
There are huge factories in China grinding out this stuff, they take advantage of venues like Care2, if they're not careful and watchful to keep them out....
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:08 am
There are OTHER Petitions on the Activist Petition Site that are ADS and phoney! You will spot them if you go there... "weight reduction" is one...
Please NOTIFY CARE2 if and when you come across them!
At this point, I am just too bummed out and tired....

Please ask Care2 to institute a BETTER WAY OF DEALING WITH PHONEY PETITIONS...
 

Timothy W (262)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:51 am
Still only 5 signatures.
I notice they are still using the same reasons as always. Procreation and children being raised without either a father or mother.

It is sad watching a animal take it's last desperate breath....normally.
 

Cher C (1426)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 6:01 am


Did Not and Would Never sign this!

Thnx hun!

 

CareTwo Support (520)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 7:15 am
Noted and NOT signed!!! Thanks BMutiny!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 8:40 am
Horrid petition-thx BM
 

Ben O (135)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 8:58 am
Don't worry...WHY should I sign such an idiotic petition...???
 

Helene Pedot (7)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 10:40 am
Flagged the petition, since its content obviously violates Change.org guidelines.
 

Eldon W (6)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 10:41 am
@B Mutiny: 12 hrs - 1 more signature. Just thought I'd let you know.
 

Pat B (356)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 11:01 am
Thank you for the 'Heads Up', BMT, wouldn't sign something like this.
 

Candy L (473)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 4:35 pm
Thanks, Would not ever sign. Sorry I didn't post last night, Lost my connection right when I was trying to post, & my Internet (Comcast) was out for the rest of the night.
 

Roger Skinner (14)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 5:12 pm
While I don 't believe in what this petition says and won't sign it, I firmly believe in their right to petition. That is the thing about free speech, you can disagree but you can't suppress. Argue against this all you want, but don't deny people the right to sign this if that is what they believe (however wrong that belief may be, LOL!). My main point is that this is a useless post. The people who are against this petition, don't need to be told not to sign it. The people who are for it, will sign it anyway. In fact, this posting might well find more people to sign this petition who hadn't heard of it before.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 6:06 pm
Roger: I agree we have Free Speech. My Free Speech allows me to ask people to NOT SIGN - or to Sign! - any Petition. I cannot COMPEL anyone, either way! I can suggest, entreat, beg, yell, persuade.... but I can't FORCE anyone! Nor would I try, or want to do that!
If you find this post "useless", that's your privilege.
I put it here, with considerable thought about it I may add - in order to
SHOW PEOPLE THAT THERE IS A CONCENTRATED EFFORT ON THE INTERNET NOW, TO STOP OR TO ROLL BACK GAY RIGHTS.
My next posting here, is going to ENLARGE on that.
This is Information that my Friends, apparently, appreciate knowing - and if it's of "no use" to YOU, well, okay, can't please EVERYone!
I have an absolute right to EXPOSE stuff I disagree with - and express my disagreement!
Things get nowhere, if all we can manage is being "nicey-nice" all the time!
I think there are AWFULLY FEW real Care2 members {excluding TROLLS! who don't sign Petitions anyway!}, few real C2 members who would see & sign a Petition as UN-reasonable as this!!!
People are glad I EXPOSED this to the daylight.....
Cheers, no bad feelin's!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 6:13 pm
Expect, on Care2 and on the Internet in general, to be INUNDATED BY A WAVE OF ANTI-GAY-RIGHTS TROLLS.
There is now a NEW TROLL [on the Hidden History of Gay Marriage C2 Causes thread]. There will be MANY MORE.
Roger [the old Troll] has probably SPLIT - his profile apparently no longer exists, so he's DONE HIS JOB, FINISHED.
These Trolls are DELIBERATELY SENT. From Headquarters. This is true!

The Right-wing has a COMMAND CENTER, where they RECRUIT AND SEND PEOPLE OUT TO THE "LIBERAL, PROGRESSIVE, GAY-FRIENDLY" SITES.
There is a bare possibility, that these people they recruit and send out, get PAID -
but, I rather think it's a matter of THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE "DOING THEIR DUTY FOR GOD AND THE CAUSE". That's what they are TOLD they are doing!!!
You can just SENSE their SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS...

They don't HAVE to be smart, or clever, or original, or anything.
THEY ARE GIVEN THEIR TALKING POINTS FROM HEADQUARTERS.
THAT is where "Roger" got all his vast "learning" about decades-old pseudo-"Psychology"...

WE WILL BE SEEING MORE OF THESE TROLLS, under the EXACT SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. They must be recruited thru Churches, Ads in Religious publications, etc...
You will see in each case, they ARE NEW MEMBERS, they HAVE NO OTHER INTERESTS IN THEIR PROFILES, and they HAVE ONE-TRACK MINDS.... and, they LEAVE after a couple of days and HAVE NO PROFILES ANY MORE.
It's no good to "ignore" them - then they have a CLEAR FIELD.
I suggest we HAVE LOTS OF FUN WITH THEM - EXPOSE them and RIDICULE them and SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY DON'T WANT US TO SAY. {That's not so hard to figure out!}

Also - PLEASE TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT THIS.
This is the NEW TACTIC of the ANTI-GAY FORCES.
And they have INFINITE MONEY behind them....
and nothing else to do, to express their pain, irritation, and hatred of the world...
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 6:17 pm
Don't be confused, there are two DIFFERENT "Rogers" spoken of here!
"Roger the Troll" was Roger Williams - we probably won't be hearing from him again, he ran out of the material he was given and started repeating and repeating it helplessly and endllessly, he didn't have anything original of his own to say!
TYPICAL TROLL, recruited and sent by the Right-wing and Fundamentalists....

Roger Skinner, sorry if there's any confusion over names!
 

Janis K (129)
Thursday April 17, 2014, 7:16 pm
I just checked- it has 7 supporters. Noted, NOT signed
 

Athena F (131)
Friday April 18, 2014, 12:44 am
Don't feed the trolls!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 18, 2014, 3:49 am
NOT SIGNED!! I'm same sex attracted and this is INORDINATELY OFFENSIVE!!!
 

Henrik Thorsen (31)
Friday April 18, 2014, 1:01 pm
Noted, not signed.
 

donald Baumgartner (6)
Friday April 18, 2014, 1:23 pm
NOT signed!! According to what I saw, 8 people evidentally had signed!!
 

Janet N (317)
Friday April 18, 2014, 1:47 pm
How the heck did this get here!!?? NOT SIGNED!!!!
 

Debra Van Way (12)
Friday April 18, 2014, 3:31 pm
Wow-change.org allowed that petition? Shame on them! No danger of me signing it. I always read a petition first before I sign it and I only sign those that give equal rights to all races, sexes, sexual orientation, etc. plus any thing to do with climate change, animal welfare, etc.
 

Kate Kenner (215)
Friday April 18, 2014, 3:37 pm
Well, anyone gets to put a petition on here-freedm of speech-but the first thing I thought when I saw it was'I don't think so'. It wasn't even a question. Either the 8 people are idiots or they signed without looking to see what it was about. I may have to read it out of curiosity but will surely not sign.
 

Kate Kenner (215)
Friday April 18, 2014, 3:39 pm
Well, it's full of BS as I, of course,, thought and I couldn't stomach reading the whole thing as I just ate dinner and wanted to keep it in my body.
 

Janet R (38)
Friday April 18, 2014, 3:40 pm
I will never ever sign such a petition, why can't people just live and let live?
 

Timothy W (262)
Friday April 18, 2014, 4:33 pm
Roger Skinner
I completely agree with you...Everyone has the right to free speech, and certainly to start any petition they like. If they get support, more power to them. That is one of the things sites like C2 are about.

I don't agree with you when you say this posting is useless. One of the excellent reasons for this posting is the sad fact, that many C2 members often sign petitions when they are presented to them without fully understanding what they are signing, simply looking for the rewards. I myself have come close to clicking to sign petitions when they pop up thinking they are a good thing until I read them over more carefully.

As a Same Gender Attracted person, (not same sex attracted, I find it boring if sex is always the same) I appreciate members such as BMutiny and all their hard work to inform other members.
 

Shan D (49)
Friday April 18, 2014, 5:17 pm
As the saying goes, if you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday April 18, 2014, 6:24 pm
I am amazed and happy at the response this "don't sign" petition article has gotten!
It shows me I was justified - and I did it after considerable thought about it! - justified in putting a "don't sign" petition out here.
Note, again, that this is NOT a Care2 Petition - only a TROLL would try something like that here on C2, and I hope would get promptly DELETED!
This is, instead, a change.org petition - NOT one of "ours".
As I explained before, change.org USED to have a good policy on petitions - but they CHANGED it!
Now change.org has a ROTTEN policy on petitions - they'll accept ANYthing, it seems! Also, change.org makes money off of some petitions, which I think is WRONG. [Don't know if they got paid for this one - wouldn't surprise me in the least. But it doesn't really matter.]

Of the 8 or so people who have signed -
since change.org, unlike C2, since they will accept petitions from ANYbody - I think at least the first 5 signatures were from IDIOTS WHO SUPPORTED THE PETITION.
Of the subsequent signatures - you can't leave a "comment" unless you sign. So some may have signed in order to leave a "comment". I don't think that's too great an idea - but it doesn't really matter.
As I said B4, that petition really ain't goin' anywhere.
Not EVEN on change.org, are there that many BIGOTS around here.
Publicity on that petition, as far as I'm concerned, is BAD publicity. And I WANT that petition to have BAD publicity! It deserves it! Also, C2 members NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE, the Propaganda needs EXPOSURE, I make no apologies for that!!! I'll probably do it again, if I find something similar and striking enuf...
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday April 18, 2014, 8:21 pm
TROLLS: What you ought to know!
TROLLS: they just arrived on C2 a day or so ago, they have NOTHING on their Profiles, their profiles DISAPPEAR after a few days, and they ZERO IN ON DISCUSSIONS OF GAY MARRIAGE.

Folks, it is PLAIN, THESE TROLLS ARE BEING RECRUITED. Probably thru ads in Church publications, and on the Internet of course. Probably both Catholics - recruited by the USCCB, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops - as well as Fundie Xian groups. They are probably not being PAID - altho that's possible - but, it's more likely they're proud of doing this "For God And Country" - altho they likely get "points" or rewards for each individual post they make, points towards a "prize" such as a coffee mug or such. [The Trolls IGNORE C2 "butterfly points" they accumulate!]
The Trolls are ON OTHER SITES BESIDES CARE2. [Such as change.org!]
The stuff they are given may be CANNED. [This was shown especially with a Troll named "Roger Williams", who's now gone! Some of you may have read his stuff... He was supplied with a small LIBRARY of "talking points". NOT HIS OWN WORDS. When he ran out of stuff they supplied him with, he was reduced to recycling the same words over & over...]

This represents a LAST-DITCH DESPERATE EFFORT for Catholics and Fundies to HOLD ON TO THEIR FAST-WANING POWER TO MAKE LEGISLATION. It is DOOMED, of course. But, THAT IS WHAT THIS ALL REPRESENTS.
Now you KNOW. I VOUCH for this. It is based on prior research done by myself and others...
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday April 18, 2014, 8:32 pm
I posted the above, on the Care2 Causes article, The Forgotten History of Gay Marriage. Which has over 1200 comments on it now, and counting!
ALMOST HALF THE COMMENTS ARE FROM TROLLS.
Now, THINK! The TROLLS didn't come across this site just by ACCIDENT, trolling the Internet or something, when they WEREN'T CARE2 MEMBERS BEFORE!!!!!
This is your PROOF that they are BEING RECRUITED TO TROLL THAT PARTICULAR THREAD ON GAY MARRIAGE.
Some Fundie originally saw it, and put out ADS or notices for OTHER FUNDIES to get on C2 JUST TO GET ON THAT ONE THREAD!!!
When they run out of things to say, or energy, they then drop out of C2.....
The Trolls have FREE SPEECH -
but so do WE have FREE SPEECH, to EXPOSE and to RIDICULE them and their unholy Tactics.....
 

Vicky P (476)
Friday April 18, 2014, 11:00 pm
flagged it
 

Rosa Caldwell (384)
Friday April 18, 2014, 11:17 pm
I didn't sign it however, I have my own beliefs and I do not hate anyone for their beliefs, so I do not know where all of this hatred in these comments are coming from. I would say you are all filled with anger. Everyone has a right to their opinion, Can't you just leave it at that.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday April 18, 2014, 11:21 pm
Vicky: This Petition article should not be "flagged" - Care2 put this article on the Front Page!
This is NOT a Care2 petition - it is a change.org petition!
Care2 would DELETE such a petition, if someone on Care2 made it!
I would like people to READ THIS PETITION - ALL of it! in order to know what the opposition to Gay Marriage is doing, their propaganda they are putting out there. Forewarned is forearmed.....
THAT is the reason I put this petition out here!
We flag the Trolls, when they come on Care2! So far, there've been no Trolls on THIS thread!
READ THE ENTIRE PETITION - then don't sign it!
But I put it out here TO BE READ...
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday April 18, 2014, 11:35 pm
Rosa: I do not see ANY hatred here!
Saying "I won't sign this petition", or, stronger, "I CERTAINLY won't sign such a petition", is NOT EXPRESSING HATE.
Many Christians are used to HAVING NO DISAGREEMENT expressed with their belief-systems.
When such disagreement IS expressed, as here, it is interpreted as things like "hatred" and even, "persecution".
Sorry, Christians, your belief-systems ARE NO MORE SACROSANCT AND IMMUNE FROM PUBLIC CRITICISM than any other set of beliefs, whether Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Pagan, No-Taxes, or any other set of beliefs about ANYthing.
We can criticize ANY religion or creed and Christians had better get used to it! We can say these beliefs are NOT TRUE - that is not "hatred", that's just what we think is factual!
I personally think Christian beliefs, and Catholic beliefs, are NOT TRUE, NOT BASED ON FACT OR ON REASON. I am prepared to argue this. I am prepared to marshal facts that support me. I believe that the anti-gay-marriage belief is BASED ON FALSE SCIENCE, and THEREFORE, ON FALSE REASONING DRAWN FROM FALSE, UTTERLY MISTAKEN CORE BELIEFS.
And THAT is exactly WHY I put out this article in the first place!
Christianity NO LONGER REMAINS UN-CHALLENGED in the Public Sphere, as it used to be.... and that is a GOOD development!
 

Lindsay K (6)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 12:14 pm
Noted
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 1:13 pm
I agree with Rosa Caldwell. It's not right ,everyone has their own opinion & should be allowed to voice it without comments like these.
 

Erick Ehrhorn (4)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 1:29 pm
I was surprised to find this petition here. I would never sign such a pathetic petition. The people backing this are part of a shrinking minority. Hopefully someday they will be totally gone.
 

Erick Ehrhorn (4)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 1:52 pm
Rosa, I suppose if you faced years of discrimination and are constantly being told that you are inferior, well you might feel a little "hate". I dislike people who bring religion into this as I believe God made us all including gays. To question the existence of gays is really question God. We are all God's children.
 

Birgit W (160)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 1:55 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

randy lee (17)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 2:50 pm
I did not sign this but i agree with Rosa. I am a christian and i believe we have as much right to our opinions as everyone else without being called a bigot. I would not sign a petition for or against same sex marriagebecause i believe in people living as they wish as long as they are not hurting anyone.
 

Gerry Pinion (4)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 2:52 pm
What a right wing crazy nut job petition! Never would sign but I agree in our basic freedom of free speech. Too bad this petition is so crazy you would think I t is a joke!
 

randy lee (17)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 3:03 pm
Bmutiny, again i agree with Rosa. I see and feel a enormous amount of hate comi.g from your texts.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 3:42 pm
"everyone has their own opinion & should be allowed to voice it without comments like these."
Like "these"? like WHAT? pray tell?
Sure - everyone has their own opinion. That's a given!
Sure - everyone should be allowed to voice it. And they are!
"without comments like these"?
WHY are you AGAINST DEBATE, DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, and DISCUSSION???
Freedom of Speech is all ABOUT Debate, Differences and Discussions!
ESPECIALLY in a Forum like Care2, where people certainly do have a VARIETY of opinions, on lots of Topics!
Is what you are saying, that
there is a SPECIAL KIND of Topic, that shouldn't be discussed at all, here on Care2 or anywhere?
And that topic, is the TRUTH or FALSITY of the Christian Religion, or any of its tenets?
If the FALSITY of Religions, can't be discussed within your hearing, then you don't belong on General Forums like Care2 and others - you need to "stick to your own kind", if all you want to hear is CONFIRMATION OF WHAT YOU ALREADY BELIEVE.
There are NO LIMITS on what "should" or "shouldn't" be discussed when it comes to Religion, Ideas, Beliefs, what is True, what is Beautiful..... NO LIMITS.
Again, "If you can't take the Heat, get out of the Kitchen".
I do not feel any need to muzzle myself and my sometimes outrageous opinions, just because someone happens to be "sensitive".
Go find a Theocratic Dictatorship somewhere, if you want discussions of the Truth or Falsity of Religions to be BANNED! That would be a congenial atmosphere!

And, by the way, altho I DO NOT FIND "HATRED" here, just disagreement -
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HATRED.
As long as it's HATRED OF WRONG, FALSE, IDIOTIC and MIS-LEADING IDEAS, including Religious, Catholic and Christian ones - and not Hatred of Individual people, which I do not see here AT ALL...

[By the way, the ideas put forward in the Petition for "Stopping Gay Marriage" ARE RIGHT VERBATIM OUT OF THE CATHOLIC CATECHISM - I checked! - you can look it up in Wikipedia, or any of the official Catholic documents in Latin or in English...]
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 3:54 pm
I don't feel so much "anger" at Ignorance, what I feel is more like "pity", or, sometimes, if I'm in the mood, AMUSEMENT at what I perceive as bottomless Ignorance.
Again, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH ANGER.
As long as one doesn't hit someone or destroy something....
Of course, prolonged anger is bad for the health... the blood pressure. That is why I tend to AVOID feeling that way. Over trivialities.
I think some here may be mistaking my VEHEMENCE for "anger". When I argue some cause, I like to go ALL OUT sometimes. No-holds-barred and all that.
Christians and Catholics and Religious People generally, are used to a level of "respect" in Public Discourse, and AVOIDANCE of discussion really, that I feel is undeserved and leads to sortof a "Social Hypocrisy", where we've sortof agreed "not to rock the boat".
Well, NOW YOU'VE MET YOUR BOAT-ROCKER....
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 4:04 pm
That spurious idiotic "Natural Law" Catholic Doctrine cited in the Catholic Catechism, as well as being given as the main "reason" for the "Stop Gay Marriage" Petition,
according to my research...
originates from [Saint] Thomas Aquinas' MIS-TRANSLATION OF ARISTOTLE
[from Ancient Greek to Medieval Latin].
[Of course Aristotle to begin with, had lots of peculiar ideas about "Nature" and what was "Natural".....
Such as his famous dictum, that "Men who are slaves, are slaves BY NATURE" -
or they wouldn't be slaves! Hey, that makes lots of sense! Especially if you're a slave-owning upper-class Ancient Greek.....]
Fascinating subject to research, Church History.....
 

marie C (163)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 4:46 pm
Thank you
 

Rosa Caldwell (384)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 5:04 pm
BMutiny - Your comments are very worthwhile, however other people also have comments they would like to make. Is it that critical that you take up most of the site for your own comments. Please give someone else a chance to comment and be read, before you ensure their post disappears out of site.
 

Inge B (202)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 12:19 am
Make Love not hate
 

randy lee (17)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 8:43 am
Bmutiny,i believe you are the bigot here. You seem to be against anyone who believes in their religion. So far you have called us idiots and bigots. Got anymore names for people that have their religious beliefs?
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 11:31 am
I am not against the PEOPLE who believe in their religion. I feel PITY for them. I am TRYING MY DARNDEST TO CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS.
I think, and I have the absolute right to express, that THEIR BELIEFS ARE IDIOTIC.
I express my thots that, I repeat, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE IDIOTIC, because there is absolutely NO PROOF of Salvation, the Trinity, the Pope's Infallibility, and other ridiculous concepts. I do believe, also, that many believers CHANGE after being exposed to factual information - some exposed to it for the first time.
I do hold, that the USCCB, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, ARE BIGOTED.
Every word of every decree that comes from them, plus their PUTTING THE MONEY OF THEIR BELIEVERS INTO ANTI-GAY CAMPAIGNS AND ANTI-GAY PROPAGANDA, shows what absolutely CRUEL, HEARTLESS, MEAN BIGOTS the Catholic Bishops are. The Catholic Bishops are worthy on NO-ONE'S RESPECT and should be HELD UP TO OBLOQUY AND RIDICULE whenever they open their big mouths or take any political action! So should, by the way, the Evangelical leaders and other religious leaders, who time & time again, show what HYPOCRITES they are... embezzlement, adultery, pedophilia, etc. being routine among Religious Leaders - I guess it has to do with Alpha Male behavior.
Religious beliefs which are silly, do no harm unless they are used to discriminate - against Jews during the Holocaust, for example, against inter-racial marriages, or, as now in some States, to prevent loving Same-sex couples from getting married, forming families and raising children if they so choose, with EQUAL RIGHTS with other couples.
Opposing inter-racial or inter-faith marriages is BIGOTED - as is opposing Same-sex marriage, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. Some people may just be mis-informed - but there is enough information out there, that there's less and less excuse to be mis-informed....
 

Pamela W (75)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 12:41 pm
Didn't sign !! Apart from my not agreeing with the content, can anyone explain to me how the authors of this petition intend to send this petition to (ALL) the LGBT Community ........ physical impossibility, so how can anyone take it seriously ??? EQUALITY FOR ALL !!!
 

. (0)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 2:09 pm
Of course not.
 

Tim L (86)
Monday April 21, 2014, 6:48 am
One of the reasons cited for opposing same sex marriage is that it offends God. Now, since God supposedly created all humans, and since it has been proven that homosexuality is not a choice but is the result of one's hormonal and genetic make up, are these zealots saying that God made a mistake? In Brunswick, Ohio There is the Southwest Baptist church. This church has a huge billboard that faces I-71 south bound. Currently their message reads, "Homosexuality is a sin, but Jesus Christ can set you free." I would think that God in all of his infinate wisdom and compassion would be more offended by his hateful and brain dead followers. I am a straight man and I am offended by any group who tries to trample the rights of others, and I am deeply offended by religious stupidity. To all religious whack-jobs I say, mind your own F#@King business!!!
 

Süheyla C (234)
Monday April 21, 2014, 1:34 pm
Signed
981 DAHA GEREKİYOR
 

Charlene Rush (79)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 10:13 pm
The lunatics have to grow up.
Believe it or not, everything cannot go your way.

The deed is done, thank the dear lord.
 

Allen O (195)
Tuesday June 10, 2014, 6:49 pm
Noted - N O T S I G N E D. - only 35 signers - Thanks BMutiny
 

Rekha S (0)
Friday December 26, 2014, 7:37 pm
Signed sorry.Not everyone on Care2 agrees with ur views.
 
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