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Confederate Flag Designers Worked to Cram as Much Whiteness Into It as They Could


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Confederate states, confederate flag, abolitionists, traitors, slavery, Civil War, flag motif, flag design, whiteness, white race, racism )

Barbara
- 1485 days ago - dailykos.com
Bagby characterized the flag motif as the "Southern Cross" - the constellation, not a religious symbol - and hailed it for pointing "the destiny of the Southern master and his African slave" southward to "the banks of the Amazon," a reference to the



   

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Ondine J (134)
Saturday June 27, 2015, 12:31 am
Interesting article, thanks BMutiny
 

Roslyn McBride (26)
Saturday June 27, 2015, 12:44 am
OMG!!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 27, 2015, 1:50 am
Seems ironic that those "defending" the "Confederate Flag" are not even defending th flag of the times .... but a later adaptation!

And many of the "defenders" are not conscious of the racism - because they've been raised to associate it with "glories of war", pride in the fighters (and not necessarily thinking about WHY they were fighting). Many, indeed, are very upset at the idea that their love of this flag could be seen as supporting racism. And they're fighting their corner ... partly to prove that they are NOT racist. So their beloved flag mustn't be seen as a symbol of racism ...... because that puts into question what they ARE proud of ....

A parallel might be found in the UK - where November 5th is "Guy Fawkes Day", celebrated with fireworks & a bonfire. Carrying tradition through, a "Guy" effigy is burnt on the bonfire. Often, the "guy" has been used to raise money for the fireworks. Great fun ...... But what is the symbolism behind this? A Catholic plot to blow up the Houses of Parliament 5 November 1605. And when the Northern Ireland troubles were flaring up, the "Catholic" aspect of the event was showing up in big Guy Fawkes celebrations .... As a child, I loved Guy Fawkes Night .... but once I saw the banners stressing "Catholic plot" in the late 1960s, I lost my enthusiasm totally .... because I realised there was religious racist symbolism there ...

Easy to adopt events, objects, without thinking about what is underlying them ... Not so easy to admit that unwittingly one has been supporting, even enjoying, "hate" symbols.
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Saturday June 27, 2015, 6:42 am
Plain & simple: all the confederate flags stood for the right of whiles to own blacks. It is needs to go.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 27, 2015, 10:23 am
This flag must go+all existing ones torched. thx BM
 

Roberto MARINI (88)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 10:05 am
thanks for sharing this important post
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 1:06 pm
Noted. Thanks BMutiny. I didn't really know the true history of that flag; or that it was mounted in response only decades ago in response to the Civil Rights Act. All confederate flags flown in public should absolutely be taken down A.S.A.P. I do believe those who want to display them on their own private property should be able to. It will be a clear sign of just exactly who the racists are, and they won't be able to scream about their "constitutional rights."
 

Dotti L (85)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 2:31 pm
Thanks Barbara. Did you go to the Pride Parade today? I thought it was going to be televised, but could not find it. Re: THAT flag. They all should be burned and not even a one put into a museum.
 

Birgit W (160)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 2:50 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

Jamie Clemons (282)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 6:55 pm
How do I even begin? Such a hateful nasty article. The flag was designed with the same symbols as the us flag. You know nothing of the south or the civil war. They were fighting for freedom from northern oppression. Lee freed his slaves two years before Grant. Lincoln wanted to export the slaves to central America until his death because he didn't want the black people around he didnt consider them equal
 

. (0)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 7:40 pm
The author of this piece is a retard. Maybe in his tiny little mind these symbols represent whiteness, but certainly there is nothing wrong with whiteness to begin with. Apparently all he really wants to do is vent his anger and hatred. Any individual who wishes to should be able to fly this flag, and I would not be so stupid as to suppose I knew their reasoning for doing so or to judge them for it.
 

Cindy Brickner (4)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 8:58 pm
Thought -provoking article. Thank you for posting it!
 

Colleen L (3)
Sunday June 28, 2015, 11:55 pm
Interesting. Thanks BMutiny
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday June 29, 2015, 9:11 am
I agree that the article was written with a bit of vile, I think no matter what side of the coin we can all try to rise to our highest and best. As they say, win more with honey than vinegar. I will also say that there were other reasons to the Civil War than just the release of the African Americans from their bondage.

Disagreements between the more industrialized north and the more agrarian south took place on issues such as taxes, tariffs and internal improvements as well as states rights versus federal rights. Slavery was an issue but it wasn't the sole issue, it is the issue that most remember the best, because after all the victor does get to write the history.

On December 26th, day after Christmas so not to soil the Christians day in the year 1862 - 38 Dakota Indians were hung which is to this date the largest mass hanging in the United States. It was President Lincoln who did sign their death warrants, perhaps some may say we should be grateful all 303 didn't hang, evidence for their crimes, little to none.

A few day later President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863...please note just days, that released some slaves in this, 3 million out of the 4 million slaves, but that is another story. While the African Americans were gaining their freedom the American Indians were still being killed, men, women, and if a child was there, they went as well.

The history of the United States is far from being so neat and clear cut. It has always been in struggle to do the correct thing, to reach for that moral high ground. The removal of this flag is another step in reaching for that moral high ground.

I see it flying off of pick up trucks, homes, and even some businesses here in Florida and while I don't support the flag, if people want to fly it, it's a personal right I don't want them to lose otherwise my peace flag might be a flag they want gone too, or the American Indian flag I fly might be asked to come down. However, flying it on a public building or grounds that conducts local, State, or Federal it should not be there. That area to be neutral land or building for all to conduct their affairs, that flag has no place there, we are all Americans fly the flag that is to represent us all.

No there is nothing wrong in being white Donn, but there is an issue with being racist, and like it or not, that flag symbolizes white superiority over non whites. And to think they may have some other reason to fly it is placing blinders on. This heritage stuff is just a cover term for I'm racist and still believe in one race being superior. It is the same "superior" feeling that the 1% feel they have over the masses, that they are entitled to more or better than someone else. Most can see through it. So I say, fly your beliefs off your pick up truck and off your home then we know who you are and what you believe, but also let me fly my peace flag, so the same can be said in my direction.
 

Jamie Clemons (282)
Monday June 29, 2015, 1:54 pm
Such utter non-historical nonsense. The colors of the flag are the same as the US flag and the symbolic meaning the same as the US flag. The 13 stars represented the number of states forming the Confederacy. The St. Andrews cross was also used by Scotland and was a religious symbol. The US flag flew over slavery for 86 years, the Confederate only 4. The US flag flew over massacres of Native American Women Children and Elderly, and slave ships while no slave ship ever flew the southern flag, Jefferson Davis had a written plan to end slavery within five years. 90 % of Confederate soldiers did not own slaves, and there were some black Confederate soldiers. The war that is called the "Civil War" was actually the "War for Southern Independence". That was all that the South wanted was to be left alone and freedom from Northern oppression. The north did not think they could survive economically without the south to supply their factories and that is why they did not allow them their freedom. The north invaded and burned whole cities on a swath all the way to the sea that would certainly be considered war crimes today. Like the flag or hate it if you support censorship then your on the path of a slippery slope.
 

Gloria H (88)
Monday June 29, 2015, 5:03 pm
uh....isn't the white flag one recognized as I surrender?Sure would like to see that as a flag of the 1% who own us all.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Wednesday July 1, 2015, 9:06 pm
Here is what the flag stood for: Not states' rights but White's rights. The cornerstone speech by the VP of the confederacy.

'Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth,
that the negro is not equal to the white man;
that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition.
[Applause.]
This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago.
Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind -- from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity......'
 

Jennifer M (280)
Sunday July 5, 2015, 5:38 pm
The flag needs to come down. Memorialize it in a museum.
 
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