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Cheating Hillary Has Not 'Won' More Votes, So No-One Is Obliged To Support Her

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: #CheatingHillary, fraud, voter suppression, exit polls, Anonymous, mathematics, RICO laws, investigations, rigged primaries, LOSER HILLARY )

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there are no fewer than seven active, official investigations at various levels open on primaries in the states of New York, Arizona, and Kentucky, a half-dozen lawsuits filed in California, New York, Arizona, Illinois, and Massachusetts, and serious irre


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Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 6:19 pm
As establishment politicos like Sen. Sherrod Brown say they are "fed up" that Bernie Sanders is not conceding the election, it is interesting to note the things Brown has not said he is "fed up" with. In reaction to the news that Sanders and Trump have agreed to debate, after Hillary Clinton backed out of a debate with Sanders in California, senators like Brown, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, and Gary Peters of Michigan expressed frustration that Sanders was not "winding down the primary" or being "considerate."

Ironic, then, that not one of them expressed anger at how inconsiderate it is that 90,000 votes in Brooklyn, Sanders' hometown, will not be counted, even though the primary was so flawed that two NYC election officials have been suspended without pay, and multiple investigations are in progress. Sherrod Brown has expressed no indignation that hundreds of thousands of registered Democrats in Brooklyn were wrongly dropped from the rolls.

Nor is Brown "fed up" that there are no fewer than seven active, official investigations at various levels open on primaries in the states of New York, Arizona, and Kentucky, a half-dozen lawsuits filed in California, New York, Arizona, Illinois, and Massachusetts, and serious irregularities, often captured quite openly on camera, in Nevada, Iowa, and Wyoming. Every one of the incidents in question benefitted Hillary Clinton, and throws the validity of the primaries into doubt.

How can dropping "entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists" in Brooklyn, in the words of NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio, benefit Hillary Clinton? The cleverness, and moral bankruptcy, of the Clinton forces has no bounds. A Brooklyn Bernie supporter wrote on a Facebook post that large parts of Brooklyn are practically "Millennials City" and "If there were anyplace to strip entire blocks and buildings full of likely Sanders voters from the roles, Brooklyn would be the place to do it."

Such carefully crafted, at first blush innocuous "incompetence" is the hallmark of the Democratic primary season, the word used by oh-so-coy election officials as a figleaf for fraud ("What me cheat?") At other times, a standard bludgeon is required, like that wielded by Nevada party chairman Roberta Lange, who declared the recent state convention adjourned, after ramming through rules on contested voice votes which preserved Clinton's "win" in the caucuses, which was being questioned.

Roberta's Rules are: Sometimes you just do what you gotta do.

In Maryland, the results of the primary in Baltimore have been decertified, after the state election administrator found that in some precincts, the number of ballots cast was higher than the number of check-ins. Maryland is now conducting a precinct by precinct review of the numbers.

In short, no one really knows exactly how many pledged delegates Hillary will walk into the convention with. The only thing clear is that Donald Trump got it close, but not quite, when he announced Hillary's new name would be "Crooked Hillary." The name Clinton deserves, and which should be hung around her consistently throughout the convention, is "Cheating Hillary."

There is no need to guess if it is true. No need to fear it isn't fair. A citizens' audit group in Chicago told the Chicago Board of Elections, in an open meeting and on camera, that they witnessed vote totals being tampered with to benefit Hillary Clinton. To date no federal investigation of what would be criminal violations of federal election law has been announced.

It is not necessary to rehash all of the sordid evidence and all of the open investigations here. Researchers better than I have already done it.'s Claire Bernish does an admirable job in her run-down of 2016 Democratic primary cheating, and the blog Election Fraud 2016 spins out the shenanigans in even greater detail.

In a strong indication that what we have seen may be the tip of the iceberg, math wonks will enjoy Richard Charnin's painstaking analysis of exit polls, which were wrong all the time in a way that suggest that Bernie was robbed, in 24 out of 26 primaries. Even though they were right all the time within a mere point or two on the Republican side. To understand how unlikely that is, unless something else was at work, that is as likely as a coin toss coming up heads 24 out of 26 tosses.

Funny, the new finding that, although exit polls have been accurate enough in elections around the world for the UN to use as flags for fraud, somehow they have a built-in bias against non-establishment candidates in the Democratic Party in the US in 2016. It has been suggested that Hillary's older population which uses early voting explains it. But New York, where the pattern is pronounced, has no early voting.

So pronounced was the pattern suggesting fraud that even non-mathematician actor Tim Robbins felt compelled to say something, despite sure attacks for the apparent Hollywood Liberal Subversive Goddamn Longhair views which drive one to say the emperor has no clothes, and two plus two is four.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 6:22 pm
#Cheating Hillary
And in an excellent piece of investigation, Anonymous has dissected Clinton's Arizona heist, calling it a "masterpiece."

In the Nevada Democratic convention, Sanders supporters were wrongly accused of "throwing chairs," when the only real violence was that done to the rules, and to democracy. In the prior Nevada caucus, Hillary supporters with "I'm with Her" T-shirts can be seen being hustled into the Las Vegas convention hall without registering, meaning they could have been from anywhere.

There is no need to feel sorry for Hillary for her new name. "Her," she, did it. She stole her way to where she is now.

Berners have every right to challenge the seating of a half-dozen major delegations at the convention, and to bring all the evidence of cheating before the world.
Let's get one thing in peoples' heads: Hillary did not "win." She stole.

Trump understands, as a marketing man, the importance of driving home a moniker in branding your product, or in politics, branding your opponent.
Hillary, I forever dub you, at the convention, in signs, in Tweets regarding you from now on, #CheatingHillary.

Donald Trump doesn't get to name her. We do. If the world remembers nothing else about the 2016 Democratic Convention, it will remember this.

Animae C (507)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 6:42 pm
Sopboxie authored this article, not BM!!!

Thanx for posting BM

Animae C (507)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 6:43 pm
That's Soapboxie!

Need a new keyboard, sticky keys, too much coffee spilt on this one : )

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 6:52 pm

When you go to the article itself, THE LINKS ARE IN RED.
Also, look at the CHART you find in that article.
There is NO WAY, NOT to see that Evidence, if you LOOK AT THE CHART.

I am not going to post what is contained in all those Links, right here on this thread. It is going to be long enuf already. YOU ALL HAVE COMPUTERS, I GATHER? GO TO THOSE LINKS. SEE THE EVIDENCE. MEMORIZE THE EVIDENCE. We will have OUR DAY IN COURT, YET!!!!!

It is NEVER ABUSE, to call a CHEATER, a CHEATER; to call a LIAR, a LIAR; to call a PHONEY, a PHONEY;
and to call a TROLL, a TROLL.
The TRUTH is NEVER abuse.
When the RICO evidence is filed against Hillary's campaign, THEN THE ENTIRE WORLD will see the RICO evidence spread out right in front of them. The ENTIRE WORLD will see it. Hillary will be UTTERLY HUMILIATED before the ENTIRE WORLD. GOOD! She has WORKED HARD TO EARN such Humiliation!

JL A (281)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 6:54 pm
Thanks BMutiny--Darren also posted about OH lawsuit by the respected nonpartisan organization Common Cause and a couple of suits not mentioned in this post at:

His post indicates the possibility that Karl Rove duped Clinton and intent was to prevent a Sanders win more than to provide a Clinton win

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 7:03 pm


California Landslide Possible for Sanders After Votes Counted, Election Activists Sue Media for Fraud Complicity
US Politics & Gov't (tags: usa, u.s., republicans, propaganda, politics, news, media, lies, government, Govtfearmongering, freedoms, ethics, elections, dishonesty, democrats, cover-up, corruption, constitution, candidates, americans, abuse, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton )
Making it clear that the "presumptive" nomination of Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party nominee for president
Oh, JL A, I DON'T think Hillary was "duped" by Karl Rove - I AM QUITE SURE SHE COLLABORATED 100%.
That is just a RUSE to "get her off the hook" at this last minute.
I do give Hillary credit for being MUCH SMARTER than to allow herself to be "duped".


Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 7:14 pm
This is from the above article on Bernie WINNING California!

Making it clear that the "presumptive" nomination of Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party nominee for president is far from a done deal, Bernie Sanders supporters in California are filing suit to demand that Secretary of State Alex Padilla insure all "provisional ballots" in all 58 California counties are properly counted, a vast number of ballots likely to tilt the final result markedly toward Sanders. The Fresno Bee reports that in Los Angeles County alone, the highest number of provisional ballots ever cast in a primary were cast last June 7th, 240,000, compared with 50,000 in 2012 and 176,000 in 2008. In total, approximately 2.5 million ballots remain to be counted.

Provisional ballots are ballots which can be cast by independent voters, who in every Democratic primary this season have leaned heavily toward Sanders, by as much as 90%. Before the California primary, a furor ensued after poll workers were reported being told to give independents the wrong ballots for the Democratic primary, the "provisional ballots," which have no candidate names printed on them, rather than regular Democratic primary ballots. Although both must be counted according to state law, poll workers concerned with fair elections revealed that in practice, provisional ballots were often not counted.

In an additional development, election activists who had filed a lawsuit against Republican operative Karl Rove in the 2004 presidential election for fraud in Ohio, the disputed swing state whose electoral votes gave George W. Bush a second term over Democratic nominee John Kerry, are today filing a lawsuit invoking RICO statutes in Ohio over electoral fraud benefiting Hillary Clinton. Included in the defendants are major media organizations, for complicity in criminal election fraud. Below are remarks by attorney Cliff Arnebeck, one of the filers of the lawsuit and chair of the Legal Affairs Committee of Common Cause Ohio.

Arnebeck said at the fair elections conference this week:
"There is no way the Democratic Convention is going to nominate somebody on the basis of obviously stolen votes…the facts are coming out and that’s a fact…We are suing the media as being complicit in the crime. They are acting as accessories after the fact. They are covering up evidence of criminal activity, it’s a crime"

Arnebeck said:
“In my opinion Hillary Clinton has been used for the purpose of scuttling Bernie Sanders campaign for president, she is being used…but they’ve been caught, it’s obvious, it’s just like Bernie Sanders when he talks about the system is rigged, ah the elections are rigged, the evidence is clear, everybody’s gona see it and the game is over…Bernie has won in fact…”

“We are going to be filing a racketeering lawsuit under the Ohio Racketering law, the strongest in the country and we can bring in every state, our RICO statute is coextensive with the federal RICO statute… So they’re nailed."

The Common Cause lawsuit takes place during a primary season which has seen unprecedentedly blatant evidence of vote fraud taking place against Senator Bernie Sanders, considered the outsider against establishment candidate Hillary Clinton.
In Chicago, a citizens' election watchdog witnessed the vote totals of hand-counted ballots at a mandatory vote audit being altered to benefit Hillary Clinton.
In Arizona and New York, two critical states, hundreds of thousands of likely Sanders voters saw their registrations disappear from the voter rolls, or their party affiliation changed without their consent.
Citizens Election audit group describes witnessing fraud for Hillary in Chicago

The role of the media in influencing the primary in favor of Clinton has taken its own spotlight this year, most recently when AP reported that Clinton already had reached the requisite delegate number to clinch the nomination a full day before the states of California, New Jersey, and New Mexico had even voted.

In 2004, Cliff Arnebeck had filed a lawsuit against Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, and Bush operative and former chief of staff Karl Rove, for election fraud in the critical swing state of Ohio, which was set to go to trial when a key Republican witness, IT guru Mike Connell, was killed in a small plane crash.
Democracy Now reported at the time:

"A top Republican internet strategist who was set to testify in a case alleging election tampering in 2004 in Ohio has died in a plane crash. Michael Connell was the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove and created websites for the Bush and McCain electoral campaigns. Michael Connell was deposed one day before the election this year by attorneys Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis about his actions during the 2004 vote count in Ohio and his access to Karl Rove’s email files and how they went missing."

Sanders supporters in California are urging voters to take photos of poll results posted outside polling stations while they remain posted this week, as a part of ongoing efforts to dispute announced California election results as fraud.


JL A (281)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 7:16 pm
BMutiny--on this one there may not be evidence of her complicity sufficient for the courts...her having joined Sanders in filing in AZ may provide her protection, too.

roxy H (350)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 8:28 pm
Did the Press Take Down Bernie Sanders?
The rebellious nature of the Vermont senator's presidential bid didn't fit the mainstream media's predetermined scenario.

feel free to re-post and share

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 8:35 pm
Yeah, JL A, "sufficient for the courts" - so SHE can't be charged, just her MINIONS can!
I know that LEGAL "proof" isn't the same thing as Reality, necessarily!

"her having joined Sanders in filing in AZ may provide her protection, too."
Oh, these guys are SHARP! They can afford the BEST LAWYERS, too!
While we may be Morally Certain, even if #CheatingHillary doesn't actually GO TO JAIL for this, she'll have a hard time PROTECTING her Minions and THE TRUTH ABOUT THE FALSE COUNT at least, will come out!
Just SEE how many want her as Prez, after that!!!!!

Rose Becke (141)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 9:51 pm
I wouldn't want her as President

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 11:38 pm
Shared the above articles on social media, BMutiny & Roxy.

If you can't take part fairly, don't take part at all.
The Corporate Capitalist machine has ZERO right to influence ANY election process.
It's the PUBLIC's mechanism to decide who should support them as leader.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 11, 2016, 11:43 pm
BTW, on #CheatingHillary on twitter, there's a link about the level of election fraud:

Angelika R (143)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 2:19 am
Thx BMT, saw this before following the link to Soapboxie below Darren's other story posted.
We never had reason to trust the US justice system with anything else so why should this be any different now when it comes to election fraud? ..of all things..!

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 5:31 am
There is plenty of evidence in every state of election fraud on the part of the Clinton campaign and The democratic Party. All states need to join with California, in solidarity and to force the admission of illegally not honoring The Constitution. Also, of other illegalities--such as by Clinton in Massachusetts and other states.

Bernie should remain relatively quiet, as there are so many also effected by the immoralities and illegalities that they will bring things to a peak, without Bernie having to request action. The media did indeed aid and abet the corruptors, so in many ways they helped to create the removal of democracy from our government and the ability of having citizen's votes unconstitutionally blocked, barred, not counted---with rules, regulations, laws changed at the last minute. None of that reported by the media. Also, blocked Bernie's coverage and gave very scripted, slanted reports throughout.

Bernie supporters should remain united---there is a separation among us--those who feel they wish to vote blue no matter who---and those who would like to see The Green Party's Dr. Jill Stein join forces with Bernie or accept the nomination herself. Bernie and Jill admire each other and will work together either way---and the revolution will not fade away, no matter what, as it is the only means of removing such rampant corruption from our system and return true democracy.

Also, we have to revolt in order to take earnest action in addressing Climate Change as an emergency. This election is not merely seating a political puppet---it is indeed a matter of life and death of the planet and all living. So, your vote will determine that. Be careful where you swing your vote. Thanks BMutiny.

JL A (281)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 7:08 am
Janice, these lawsuits provide another option--courts requiring decisions altered to go with actual votes which could easily mean Bernie won the most votes and pledged delegates for the convention to honor and support him as the Party's nominee.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 8:59 am
Janice, just posted an article on voting fraud:

Here's A Rundown of Election Fraud in the 2016 Presidential Race So Far

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 9:22 am
Just dropped back by to respond to JL A and Darren--definitely JL, that is one of the prime positives that lawsuits force to the surface. I surely hope that justice will find Bernie our nominee---and that not only find Hillary out, but banned from serving any political seat in future and forced to present her e-mails. Also, that she and Bill be held legally responsible, tried, fined, etc.., for illegalities. Darren, will check the fraud article! Thank you both--and Darren check your mail from the wee hours, please.

I think it is obvious that the truth is, Bernie won CA by a landslide, does indeed have enough pledged delegates to be supported and given what is rightfully his--the Democratic nomination!! Some other delegates do have the right to change their votes., to add to the show. I have been experiencing a strong sensation that this election and the entire environment surrounding it, is about to experience a metamorphosis---a positive one, but midst much upheaval and life-changing events.

Angelika R (143)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 9:46 am
Lets send thoughts and prayers(for those who do) to Orlando's victims ! Shocking, certainly for Dandelion too, being so close to the catastrophe there.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 10:37 am
Care2 Petition on Orlando:

JL A (281)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 12:01 pm
Thanks BMutiny--have signed. Am also receiving emails from gun violence organizations collecting signatures for condolences.

JL A (281)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 12:43 pm
from an OH DEM Party email just received:
"On Tuesday Judge Algenon Marbley issued a ruling striking down Ohio Republican legislation that made it easier to disenfranchise absentee and provisional voters. The Ohio Democratic Party was a plaintiff in this case, as well as the recent case that restored Golden Week for Ohio voters.

"For the second time in less than a month, Ohio voters have won a huge victory in the courts, and Secretary of State Jon Husted is being forced to stop making it harder for Ohioans to vote and for every vote to be counted," said Ohio Democratic Party Chairman David Pepper. "This trial showed quite clearly that every lawfully cast vote was not being counted here in Ohio. Many lawfully registered Ohioans have had their votes cast aside because of new and unnecessary requirements that were shown to be discriminatory. Judge Algenon Marbley found that legislation enacted by Ohio Republicans and Governor John Kasich and enforced by Husted violated the Fourteenth Amendment and Voting Rights Act. It's time for Husted, Kasich and Ohio Republicans to stop violating our constitutional right to vote."

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 1:53 pm
9,956 supporters

Signed and shared that petition on social media, BMutiny.

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 2:08 pm
I never felt obligated anyways. I'll not vote for a Corporate warmonger, I don't care what Party they belong to.

This is a good video another member posted If You Consider Yourself a Progressive You Should Watch

I signed earlier the petition for Solidarity with Orlando. This was close to me only 35 miles away.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 2:36 pm
It's well worth watching. . . thanks for the link, Dandelion.

Angelika R (143)
Sunday June 12, 2016, 2:59 pm
I instantly thought about you Sheryl, as mentioned above..but sadly, the C2 site is too messed up for won't open up correctly to let me sign :-//

Past Member (0)
Monday June 13, 2016, 12:22 am
Well i see her as a shemer. Not a fan. thx BM

Scott S (14)
Monday June 13, 2016, 11:28 am

Christeen A (300)
Monday June 13, 2016, 12:42 pm
I will not support her now or ever.

Birgit W (160)
Monday June 13, 2016, 1:21 pm
I certainly would not vote for her. Thanks.

Mandi T (366)
Monday June 13, 2016, 1:36 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Monday June 13, 2016, 2:06 pm
Noted. Thanks so much for posting this info, BMutiny.

I have read on multiple sites that there are still more than 2 million uncounted votes in CA. How does anyone call an election with so many votes uncounted?!
It was obvious that voter suppression was taking place in many states, too. In my own state of AZ, the person in charge of elections is now targeted with a petition to fire her. We'll see how far that goes.....

And, it is also painfully obvious to anyone paying attention that Clinton did not have any grassroots support because Bernie's rallies had thousands of people, and she could not even get close to those numbers at any of her rallies. Do people really think that all those who attended those rallies were then not going to vote for Bernie?!
Of course, I am not OBLIGED to support her. Who would support her out of obligation? I cast my primary vote for Bernie, and continue to hope that enough momentum will continue through the convention to make Bernie the Dem nominee. If not, I'm going "Third Party" as a protest vote.

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 13, 2016, 2:16 pm
Let the SAUDIS vote for her, they supported her, funded her campaign generously..they know why!

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Angelika R (143)
Monday June 13, 2016, 2:19 pm
oops, that was the wrong link-but equally interesting story there! Funny when they say not trust Trump with the nuke code-lol-what about her?!

HERE'S the link I meant to give : Deleted official report says Saudi key funder of Hillary Clinton campaign

Janet R (38)
Monday June 13, 2016, 4:08 pm
Oh, so now she's a cheater. Like Trump isn't. Get over it, Bernie is not going to be the nominee. It sucks but it is the truth. Why don't you use your annoyance and aggravation to do something beyond words?

Ruby S (44)
Monday June 13, 2016, 4:09 pm
I see this is a comment section backstabbers.. ll be back when there are facts and a DISCUSSION..about facts. I see someone takes up all of the writing space with vitriol, trying to convince everyone to go along with them because she has a problem with powerful women. Some web pages and blogs spew hatred, often looks like the truth but it ain't, and are haters and liars, and women haters, been there done that, but I like to find out where the truth lies on my own, this ain't it... Look for the REAL truth instead of accepting what one hater says..Like I said vote on merits and accomplishments, you won't go wrong with that. People are talking as if Mrs Clinton was President back ya lie need to read government websites, and you should already know what a damn lie looks like. It's OK to like BS, but you don't have to trash others. Now,, you should do your homework on BS..Have you ever been in Mrs Clinton's presence?? And yes I have and am..have you talked to her? Yet you believe something that has not been proven...Stupid..What I am going to do is report this person, because she needs to get a blog and stop taking up so much space that others can't comment, much ado about's not fair for me for one who has been here since 2004..if you are working for BS you need to go to his website..KTF..

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday June 13, 2016, 4:22 pm
"Why don't you use your annoyance and aggravation to do something beyond words?"
We are, my dear, WE ARE.
We are ORGANIZING. We are, and are going to be some more, OUT ON THE STREETS, protesting!
We are COMMUNICATING, intensely, with Public Officials, and with each other.
You are going to be seeing A LOT of this, in future weeks and months!
We may even CHANGE THE WORLD - for the better! How about that!

This GROSS CHEATING OF HILLARY'S - this just may spark the REVOLUTION we've been waiting for......
Or at the very least it is ONE MORE STEP LEADING IN THAT DIRECTION.....
What is on Care2 expressed here is MERELY THE teensy-weensy TIP OF AN ICEBERG....
The Movement continues, STRONG AND TOGETHER.....
We say to all, JOIN US.....

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 4:30 pm
Nancy posted another article on election problems:

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 4:52 pm
And Nancy's article spoke of Republican trolls trying to sow discord by pretending to be Clinton or Sanders supporters and then going on the attack. I reported the attack on you in violation of the Code of Conduct BMutiny.

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 5:15 pm
And Ruby has been posting campaign literature direct from as if it were news...sounds like she never noted what the rules and expectations were for such posts in the 12 years she claims since she joined (if even active for any appreciable part of that time period).

Julie W (33)
Monday June 13, 2016, 6:08 pm
Nyack Clancy" "And when you find EVIDENCE that she has cheated- please be sure to post that. Otherwise- it is just more of your ABUSE to call someone a cheater "

You don't understand the meaning of abuse. An abuser is the person with the power - a victim can't 'abuse anyone. Your constant complaints of abuse make no sense, as Clinton is the one with power, not we here on Care2.


Jamie Clemons (282)
Monday June 13, 2016, 6:34 pm
Hillary supporters treated us so badly there is no way on earth we are ever going to vote for her. Besides I will not support a war monger for president. I don't see how any true progressive can support a war candidate who is openly hawkish about war.

Jamie Clemons (282)
Monday June 13, 2016, 6:43 pm
Nancy there is plenty of documented evidence and eye witnesses and videos. If you want to call eye witnesses and videos and documents as not a shred of evidence then I really don't know what to say to you other than that your just like the other nasty Hillary supporters I have had to deal with who support Hillary because she is a woman but have no idea that all the things that Bernie people are saying are facts and refuse to pull their heads out of the sand and look at the real facts. If you try to tell them that she voted for the Iraq war, fracking, monsanto, GMO,s harmful trade deals and the patriot act they just put their blinders on. I have no problem voting for a woman. I voted for Jill Stein last election. I won't vote for Hillary because I don't support war mongers or republicans.

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 8:55 pm
Correct Jamie so we must be dealing with someone who thinks like the researchers say the GOP does where the facts don't matter.

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 9:01 pm
And I'm aghast that anyone would feel like such a questionable vote count should determine anything so important--is it only because they liked how it turned out and thus want to keep it that way whether at least not yet illegal and thus legitimate or completely illegitimate?

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 9:04 pm
CA legislative response (from an email just received):
"California Clean Money Campaign and all the other organizations asking you to vote "Yes" on SB 1107 to lift the ban on voluntary public financing of campaigns and prohibit foreign contributions to candidates. Local governments and the state deserve the flexibility to explore public financing systems to strengthen the public trust and amplify the voices of everyday Californians"

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 9:07 pm
Sign the petition for SB 1107 to allow public financing of elections!

Walter F (129)
Monday June 13, 2016, 9:54 pm
I hope we never acquire the habit of character assassination that is so much a p[art of American politics We criticize but we do not slander ,America should do the same . I notice Nyack has asked for hard evidence of Hilary's misdoings .Where is it ? Despite the slander and continuous criticism from care 2 members it is becoming more evident now that she will become the next U.S president.. I heard her speech the other day,.it was a magnificent oration. It was the best political speech I have ever heard..She's quite a lady..

JL A (281)
Monday June 13, 2016, 10:07 pm
Nyack doesn't consider the information in articles and videos worth considering nor the copies of emails the press has that the FBI have as evidence either--it has to have been proven in a court of law apparently for to even consider it a fact or evidence even if Clinton said it herself Walter. Clinton does have some quality speechwriters, as do most of our politicians.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 1:59 am
I returned to give folks some suggested reading, right from the "horse's mouth"---"Hard Choices" a memoir by Hillary Clinton. This is a gift from me to the Hillary supporters.

In this book, she highlights some of her policy choices. She is an admirer of Henry Kissinger and has used (for instance, in an OP-ED in The Washington Post) Kissinger's book, "World Order" as a means of laying out her personal vision for sustaining America's leadership in the world. She calls for a return to a foreign policy that has purpose, strategy and pragmatism, and in her book "Hard Choices" explains how they contributed to the Obama administration's challenges and to those of future presidents of the US.

In the chapter on Latin America, on Honduras, a major source of child migrants were/are pouring into the US. Letters to Hillary and to her successor, John Kerry, from more than 100 members of congress, repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 US BACKED military coup that ousted the DEMOCRATICALLY elected president, Zelaya. The US backed coup government rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries---that opened the door for more violence and anarchy.

In her memoir, "Hard Choices", Hillary admits, confesses, that she used her seat of power to not only oust the Democratically elected Zelaya, but she also made certain that he could not return. In the following days after the coup, Hillary also says that "they" strategized a "plan" to restore order in Honduras and ensure that there would be "FAIR AND FREE ELECTIONS THAT WOULD BE HELD QUICKLY AND LEGITIMATELY", which would render the question of Zelaya moot.

Wait---wait---this gets much more intriguing---as the Obama administration opposed this US backed coup and wanted Zelaya returned to his presidency. There were vehement demands from not only the Obama administration, but from Latin American leaders, the UN General Assembly and other International political bodies---all demanding that Zelaya be immediately returned. Drink that in everybody!!!! Of special interest that no one above had any sway with Clinton and her rightwing backers. Scary???

Hillary stood defiant and anti-democratically and spurred them. There was an immediate lapse in US relations with Latin America, who just a few months earlier had offered the brand new Obama administration a warm welcome---even the leftist governments in the region now closed their doors. Odd isn't it, that Obama now endorses Hillary for president of the US and will campaign with her?????

Oh--another reason all of the Hillary supporters won't want to miss her warm memoir, is because she also admits, in her own words, to at least one case of committing FALSE TESTIMONY. One is that she reports that Democratically elected president Zelaya was arrested amid fears that he was PREPARING TO CIRCUMVENT THE CONSTITUTION and extend his term---while she was aware of the truth--that he had in fact been kidnapped by military and flown out of the country, while still in his pajamas, on 6/28/09, and was trying to put a consultative nonbinding poll on the ballot, asking voters whether they wanted to have a real referendum on reforming the Constitution during the scheduled election in November. (By the way, he was not eligible to run in that election, so even if he'd gotten his way, he couldn't extend his term).

But, that did not stop Hillary, her US and Honduran extreme right wingers from USING FALSE CHARGES of tampering with the Constitution, to justify the US backed coup.

For me, the most important facts to ingest from Hillary's memoir, "Hard Choices", is that it exposes the corruption in all governments and high places of power. There was and is an extremely influential faction---interest groups, the one percent of big money elitists who rule the planet, significant campaign money raisers from Latin America's rightwing lobby, including Florida's Cuban Americans and their political fundraisers.

Hillary's position on foreign policy, Latin America, in her bid for the US presidency, is on the extreme right and her own book and history has recorded this. Also, her campaign in 2016 is recording just how far right this disproportionate influence on America's governing foreign policies is, in the hemisphere. It is also recording all of the illegitimate, immoral, illegal action she and her husband have taken during this ruse of an election. Perhaps those who have been objecting to those who refer to Hillary as a "hawk", a liar, or expose inhumane and immoral historically documented facts that she used her powers to cause, or to expose (including in her own words of admission) that she gave false testimony---and there's plenty of proof of illegalities and dishonoring of The Constitution during the present campaign---perhaps you objectors can better understand where we're coming from. This is just one topic of exposure. Stay tuned!!

Julie W (33)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 2:13 am
Nyack: "How about we post a picture of YOU on a headline news story similar to the one posted of Clinton- and call you a THIEF without a shred of evidence... and see if you THEN think it is abuse."

Nope, I would say it was a pack of lies and call it slander.

"stop making shit up as you go along " Huh? Such as? I have made up nothing!

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 2:33 am
The elites, power-possessors, Royals, Nobility, Corporate Capitalism, Military Industrial Complex are ALL in the same dirty bag of linen, and with conditioned right-wing thinking strive to keep our world and its inhabitants from engaging with each other healthily by predicating a deluded, false narrative, partly fueled an extreme misunderstanding of what religion is.

So, most right-wingers have a conditioned dislike and/or hatred of Muslims, some are misogynists, and some like this weird out of date notion of border control, where you have to prove your identify to enter a different society, not realizing that conquest is part of the DNA of a diseased and unhealthy mind, and territorial control over any area is a symptom of that same disease.

I've not heard ANYTHING from Hillary Rodham Clinton that would seek to begin to rescue, repair, resolve and heal the conflicts that are present.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 5:46 am
Thanks Janice for providing some of the hard evidence of Clinton's history of not telling the truth (Walter, it is not slander when it is true) and, perhaps, saying whatever is convenient at the time instead. Even Bill chose that so that his impeachment proceedings were because of untruths--perjury to Congress--and not the actions themselves.

In criminology, part of what they call the body of the crime includes what they call modus operandi--pattern of behavior used both to identify perpetrators and to convict them. Those who have researched or followed Clinton's history are accurately presenting this evidence as the context for current concerns and allegations.

I agree Darren--she apparently expects others to take on her responsibilities instead of demonstrating leadership herself.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 6:49 am
To add to Janice's evidence:
How U.S. Companies Profit from War

Dangerously Coherent: Hillary Clinton and Washington’s Foreign Policy Bubble

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 7:47 am
Shared both of the above ALL OVER social media, to spread awareness.

This reminds me: after the Iraq invasion, following 9/11, George Warminger Bush was Press/Media Managed televised with a group of people sat around him, awarding out contracts. His message was simple and simply stated; those who have helped our efforts against Saddam Hussein will be awarded the business contracts.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 7:50 am
The real divide is independent of Bernie and his supporters and only the DNC can fix it "

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 8:12 am
Hillary Clinton Criticizes Donald Trump, Reveals Herself to Be Queen of War

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 8:57 am
I find it quite amazing how all of this HAS BEEN KNOWN long before this election cycle and yet, only now people appear to show awareness or "just learn" about it or, perhaps only now remember it, now that it gets more serious that perhaps this woman may end up in the WH.

I wonder how exactly the president plans to use his alledged support in public (anyone seen late approval numbers?) to help her campaign...couldn't really reflect other than highly NEGATIVE on him as well, by sharing her overweight baggage. Perhaps he should rethink that..and to push this a little we all could help by DELISTING /Cancelling all DNC/DEM related correspondence and registrations! They'd first have to earn some level of trust again!

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 9:05 am
Last I saw Angie showed Obama's approval ratings increasing.

Debra G (0)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 12:24 pm
The dishonest Hillary canard began with William Safire decades ago and took on a life of its own. I ask that you read the following article:

Other than some disgruntled Berners and giddy Trumpeters, she did not steal the nomination. Before you declare yourself a no-way-will-I-vote-for-her, think about the fate of this country should she lose this election.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 1:25 pm
Surprise, thx Judi.I would have expected the opposite. People believe too many lies I guess.
As for above-it is the fate of the WORLD that matters, not just "this country" ! And with her that is doomed, much less so with anyone else. Before you jump on me, that is NOT endorsing or excusing Trump!
At least on foreign policy he makes much more sense than she does! His last speeh was proof, IF you read it all and right, not how and what media is reading out of it and interpreting it with a spin.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 5:09 pm
The Daily Kos several months ago admitted intentional bias for Clinton and set a policy forbidding any criticism, valid or otherwise so I cannot consider a DK story a reliable source on Clinton Debra.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 5:29 pm
Thx Judi for speaking for me there as well! I never saw /read that but, in fact have noticed on my own and have since stopped reading them or signing anything from them!

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 6:09 pm
Today the media declared a winner in DC exclusively based on early mail-in ballots, which would not be expected to be representative of all voters.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 6:11 pm
PS--Initial add of additional voters reduced Clinton's percent by over 2%

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 6:36 pm
Rob posted another article on uncounted primary votes:

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 7:01 pm
may have signed before, but it took; noted; thanks for posting Dandelion

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 7:01 pm
oops-wrong thread again

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 14, 2016, 7:30 pm
CA's most recent corruption/cheating by a politician conviction:
Ex-California senator Ron Calderon to plead guilty to mail fraud

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 15, 2016, 11:21 am
An update today from Napa, where Clinton lead higher than almost anywhere, leaving statewide percents unchanged.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 15, 2016, 2:04 pm
Mariposa update--no change in statewide percents since total votes under 2500...a Bernie ahead by 10% county

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 15, 2016, 8:34 pm
No percent change with San Benito and Colusa additions--only 30 vote difference in Colusa, one of the smaller population counties counting provisional ballots. Four of the smallest counties report zero ballots left to count, but counts not yet final.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 16, 2016, 7:00 am
With Orange's additions last night, Clinton's percent went down another 0.1% and voted difference down another 1,000.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 16, 2016, 9:56 am
Santa Clara added more votes this morning, but percent didn't change and vote count difference affected less than 1000 votes.
Last night was the first night since election night that votes were updated outside of normal work hours for state employees suggesting overtime approvals in Orange and at the SOS now which may also indicate pressure from somewhere to get it finished sooner that the law permits.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 16, 2016, 5:07 pm
Bernie up another 0.1%; Colusa vote difference fewer than 30 now (they are working on provisional ballots there), more from Lassen (fewer than 200 vote difference as snow may affect them again), Merced (Central Valley), Riverside, San Francisco, Tehama (Bernie leads by over 5% far north in the Central Valley), Trinity (north and Bernie leads by over 28%). Six counties have not updated since election night. Provisional ballots to be counted is about 10,000 less now (691,000). Midday (before some of these updates) 1.37 million left to count. Counted vote difference went down more than 30,000 today and is a tad over 434,000

JL A (281)
Thursday June 16, 2016, 6:57 pm
If you live in CA, and voted by mail, you can check on your ballot at:
I just did mine and last action is that it was received by them on May 12th--does not show as counted yet.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 16, 2016, 8:10 pm
Why is Sanders Holding Back on Endorsing Clinton?

Norman Solomon of says Sanders should leverage his power to secure a suitable vice-presidential nominee that will defend a progressive platform

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 7:13 am
Read Bernie Sanders’ Speech to Supporters

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 7:25 am
Alameda may have finished mail ballots and started on provisional with the update they submitted about COB last night. Colusa's 30 vote difference apparently is at the point they reported all ballots counted (made me wonder if 31 or more Bernie supporters didn't vote there after AP report). The Alameda votes changed statewide percents so the difference is only 10.5% now (vote count difference increased again).

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 7:53 am
The DWS challenger Tim Canova:

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 17, 2016, 7:58 am
thx Judi! I see the uncounted decreased enormously, that's good, yet not enough progress.
Mail in on May 12? huh, wasn't the 10th the "deadline" when stamped no later than 7th?

Great points by N Solomon there, let's hope for a positive outcome from that Long Beach meeting!
One thing I have issues to understand: how could Bernie pissibly BELIEVE anything $Hillary might "promise" to do ?!! I'm grateful for every day he drags out endorsing her, being FAR from having earned that yet! (if ever)

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 17, 2016, 8:01 am
DWS: - Democrats Replace Debbie Wasserman Shultz with Clinton’s Pick to Run DNC

guess yall already saw this

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 17, 2016, 8:53 am
Judi-why resort to TIME for Sanders' speech last night-when the full video AND the transcript are on his website >

jan b (5)
Friday June 17, 2016, 4:21 pm
OVER three million popular votes and ALL those people cheated. When the fraud--Sanders won it wasn't rigged ONLY when he LOST.
I can understand men not being happy about women's rights and the FIRST woman to ever be nominated in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA when 80 countries already had a woman-leader and the USA = NONE. But I don't understand WOMEN putting a KNIFE in a woman like Hillary CLinton and WHY I haven't come here very often----because there are too many stupid women for my liking ---INSTEAD Of joining LIZ WARREN --- CLAIRE McKaskill and all the DEMOCRATIC women we have some here who are so CRAZED about SANDERS they can't THINK straight. He voted against regulating wall street which took us to the crisis of 2008 and he campaigns on how the rich and corporations are a problem. HE VOTED 5 TIMES against GUN CONTROL. He wrote articles degrading women and insulted his wife recently on stage. What in the HECK is there about a B>S> artist that you all have such adoration for ---its' INSANE !!!!

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 6:12 pm

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 7:00 pm
Looks like my comment disappeared...less detail this time...down to10.1% difference statewide, Lots of counties all areas of state today. One more showing zero ballots (Mariposa: Bernie's by 10%). Two larger counties (including Santa Clara with the 72% mailed in) with 200 or fewer mailed so next update should begin on the provisional ballots. 488,000+ mail-in left, 664000+ provisional and over 48,000 allots that are damaged or ballots that could not be machine read and need to be remade, and ballots diverted by optical scanners for further review (a bit higher than number yesterday).

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 7:03 pm
Angie--a non-campaign source is usually considered less biased is why

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 7:43 pm
For those who want to encourage Bernie to keep pushing the needed progressive agenda through to the convention, Dandelion has posted a petition:

JL A (281)
Friday June 17, 2016, 8:11 pm
Standford Report which concludes DEM election fraud posted by Evelyn:

Dawnie W (250)
Friday June 17, 2016, 11:17 pm
❤️Hmm! Interesting topic! I've got news for everyone, politics is a dog eat dog world full of what's in it for me mentalities. And every country is endowed with "snouts in the trough" representatives. So the best any elector can do is pick out the more sane representative who you think has more decency than the rest. Now from where I sit, it appears you don't have a lot of choice. On the one hand you have a bumbling stick foot in mouth lunatic called Donald Trump who is dangerous in my estimation. On the other hand you have Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders couldn't get enough votes for whatever reason, if he's so popular why didn't everyone get out and vote for him? I just watched a documentary about Bernie and he's no clean skin either, just as shonky as the rest of them. So people get out and vote for who ever you want because if you don't you cannot complain about the government you get, it is in the hands of you, the constituents.❤️
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Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 3:52 am
"Angie--a non-campaign source is usually considered less biased is why "
Ok Judi-in general you have a point there-except in this case it is simply publishing authentic material -a video and transcript. Normally no room for bias - YET TIME magazin couldn't abstain from commenting on that material with a sentence reading
"Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders did not suspend his campaign Thursday, rather promising that his political “revolution” would soldier on to the Democratic party’s July convention."

Totally neutral and free of biias??? ;-) Rather NOT with that choice of words !

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 4:02 am
As for the comment above mine-seems a typical case and evidence for beltway media propaganda having a chokehold on aussies as well. May enlightenment DAWN on her soon! The answer to the question in her comment is IN THE TITLE of this thread and tons of other posts, perhaps read them!

JL A (281)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 6:14 am
Last night finished with dropping to a 10.0% difference in statewide vote with more votes from Alameda, Calaveras, Riverside, San Benito, and Shasta (22 of 58 counties adding votes yesterday). 23 counties favor Bernie, some by large margins. A couple of more counties, including large vote counties like Alameda, now have a less than 5 percent difference. The uncounted report was not updated after my last comment (1.2 million) and the uncounted is even making radio news here now.

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 7:35 am
So it dropped to half the original No of uncounted... what are the radio reports saying Judi? Good progress or the opposite? The % in difference is naturally marginal..still it matters and that's still far from the final.

Sara G (104)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 7:39 am
Not a fan of Hillary, but if it's her or Trump I WILL vote for Hillary. It scares me that people say they just won't vote. As I see it, not voting at all is a vote for Trump.

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 8:05 am
was this already posted? >

and all who've not yet signed this PETITION-please do and share
* *

JL A (281)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 3:43 pm
I didn't say the perception was valid in this instance, just was the conventional belief about sources Angie.
San Joaquin County added votes (One of the early Bernie rallies was in Stockton which has a higher black population than most of our cities and had bankruptcy issues with 2008 fall out) which reduced the vote difference by a couple thousand, without changing the percent. These were all mailed ballots.

JL A (281)
Saturday June 18, 2016, 7:12 pm
includes perspectives relevant to this thread

JL A (281)
Monday June 20, 2016, 9:25 am
Update this morning just reduced vote difference to 9.9% (just over 460,000 votes) with additional votes from Santa Clara (on Sat. they had about 12,500 left, only 30 mail and the rest provisional).

JL A (281)
Monday June 20, 2016, 11:28 am
Amador County (Gold Country) has added votes no percent change, but number difference now under 460,000. On Sat. they had under 300 mail ballots and almost 400 provisional left to count plus 40 of that "other category."

federico bortoletto (44)
Monday June 20, 2016, 11:46 am

JL A (281)
Monday June 20, 2016, 5:15 pm
Kings update now doing provisional ballots, no percent change but vote difference reduced by about 100. Still have 609 provisional to count. Santa Clara has 5000 more provisional to count. The Amador numbers didn't change from earlier report off of the uncounted ballot report.
394,020 mailed
637,595 provisional
43,373 other
1,074,988 total left to count

JL A (281)
Monday June 20, 2016, 7:50 pm
Imperial (the highest percent for Clinton county) added votes--down to 151 mail ballots and 1868 provisional there. Also more from San Diego (where an election fraud lawsuit has been filed) now down to 62,000 mail and 73,000 provisional. San Francisco as well now done with mail ballots and 1095 provisional and 318 "other" to count. San Luis Obispo (Bernie ahead) added, too, with 606 mail and 3873 provisional and 435 "other" ballots left to count. Siskiyou (Bernie way ahead) done with mail, 1042 provisional and 255 "other" to count.

While statewide percent didn't change, the number difference dropped to well under 458,000.

JL A (281)
Monday June 20, 2016, 8:59 pm
Down to just over 455,000 vote difference, and still just 9.9% difference with added votes from Orange, which should have included the last 120 mailed ballots and the start of the 40,532 provisional ballots they have.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 11:29 am
No percent change, but vote difference increased by a couple hundred with added votes from San Mateo (had over 28000 mail ballots to count last night) and Santa Clara this morning (down to 5000 provisional ballots to count last night).

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 3:31 pm
Oddity: when the uncounted ballot report was updated, no update today from Santa Clara and San Mateo but Trinity and Alameda changed to zero ballots remaining...

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 4:21 pm
Percent difference dropped to 9.5% and number difference to under 449,000 with Calaveras (difference there down to 1% yet supposedly had zero to count as of the 17th), Yolo (where Davis is and Bernie moved ahead with this update), Shasta (Bernie still leads and only had “other” [900] as of the 17th according to the uncounted report), Sacramento, and Los Angeles. Most if not all would be mailed ballots in the counties I didn’t say anything about.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 5:42 pm
No percent change, but number just under 447,000 with more from San Diego and Ventura--both from mailed ballots (200 of those left in San Diego and over 2,000 in Ventura). However, time of update on estimated uncounted is inconsistent on San Diego.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 8:30 pm
Rob just posted this analysis of our counting ballots here:

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 21, 2016, 9:20 pm
Percent down to 9.4% and number difference well under 446,000-with added votes from Monterey at least mostly from mail ballots since they had over 11000 left as of earlier today, Orange is probably mostly provisional since they only had 120 mail left and over 40,500 provisional, and Riverside should be all provisional since were at zero on mail.
The last report on uncounted estimates (before these updates indicated):
237,921 mail
511,429 provisional
35,097 other
784,447 total

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 4:51 pm
Percent down to 9.3% and number difference under 445,000 with additional provisional ballot votes from Santa Clara. 15 counties show no ballots left to count on the estimated uncounted report; an additional 9 show not mailed in ballots.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 5:48 pm
No percent change and number difference increased to just over 445,000 with additions from San Diego, San Mateo, Fresno and Contra Costa this afternoon. San Mateo and Contra Costa would've been all mailed ballots, the other two at least some provisional.
Estimated uncounted in 5pm update:
176,546 mailed
474,233 provisional
29,699 other
680,478 total

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 22, 2016, 8:26 pm
More from Orange, mostly provisional since only 183 mailed were left on the 5pm report, dropping number difference to 444,520 but no change in percent.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 8:12 am
3 Ways the Media Has Failed Our Democracy in Covering the Election
It's not just Fox News — mainstream news organizations have betrayed the public's trust this election season.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 4:20 pm
No percent change, number difference reduced by a tad over 400 votes with additional from San Francisco, Santa Clara and Tuolumne. However the uncounted report update didn't change for them. The first two should've been provisional while the third would've included some mailed.
176,522 mailed
468,928 provisional
19,491 other
664,941 total

JL A (281)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 5:32 pm
No percent change, number difference now well under 442,000 with updates from Alameda, Alpine, Butte, Napa (% for Clinton down by 6% so no longer among the most support), San Diego, and again from Santa Clara.
Alameda, Alpine, Lassen and Tuolumne say they are done while 7 counties have not done updates since election night. However, the estimated uncounted report shows more than 1000 ballots uncounted in the counties saying they are done (mail, provisional and other)--and the totals remain unchanged on that report despite an update COB today.


JL A (281)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 5:53 pm
The following 25 of CA’s 58 counties are now showing Bernie ahead:
Yuba, Yolo, Tuolumne, Trinity, Tehama, Siskiyou, Sierra, Shasta, Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo, Plumas, Nevada, Mono, Modoc, Mendocino, Mariposa, Lassen, Lake, Inyo, Humboldt, Glenn, Del Norte, Butte, and Alpine.

An additional 3 are such a tiny vote difference additional votes or recounts easily could change who is ahead.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 23, 2016, 8:27 pm
No percent change and number difference reduced a couple hundred with update from Orange, which should have included mostly provisional ballots along with the under 200 mail ballots showing on the uncounted report.

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 24, 2016, 4:28 am
YAYY! Good news above, thx Judi! That's almost have of counties and if those additional 3 tip the scale for him as well, he'll have won the majority vote in CA!, provided there'll be no further fall back. Never mind the %.

JL A (281)
Friday June 24, 2016, 11:32 am
No percent change and number difference reduced another couple hundred down to 441,106 with first update since election night from Madera, near Fresno in the Central Valley who was estimated to have over 5000 votes left to count last night, over 3000 of them mail.

JL A (281)
Friday June 24, 2016, 2:26 pm
Tulare (Central Valley) added votes without changing the percent and dropping number difference to 440,990.
Update of the estimated left to count (which may get updates without the related votes getting added and vice versa in recent days) now is:
163,328 mail
464,233 provisional
18,891 other
646,452 total

JL A (281)
Friday June 24, 2016, 5:53 pm
Percent drop to 8.9 percent difference and 428,489 with additional votes from Butte (Bernie ahead at 62%--rally in Chico), Contra Costa, Fresno, Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Bernardino, San Diego, San Luis Obispo (Bernie ahead), San Mateo, Santa Clara, and Ventura. Santa Clara shows as none left to count (they had 72% mail ballots) as does Fresno. Ventura and Sacramento have finished counting mail ballots.

JL A (281)
Friday June 24, 2016, 8:29 pm
Percent difference dropped to 8.7% (53.9 vs. 45.2%) yet vote difference increased by 86 votes with updates from Marin, Orange, Riverside and San Benito.
Uncounted at approx. COB estimates were:
161,491 mail
420,073 provisional
24,260 other
605,824 total

Seven counties say they are done and 7 haven't updated since election night.

JL A (281)
Friday June 24, 2016, 8:39 pm
Although I have not saved all the relevant numbers, I consider it probable the apparent anomaly above is attributable to the other 5 candidates, who had been pretty steady at sharing 1.0% now only sharing 0.7% and thus changing the percents with the larger number as the divisor now.

JL A (281)
Monday June 27, 2016, 4:39 pm
BMutiny just posted:
Apparently Bernie IS Registered as a Write-in in Nearly All States: Jim McCall

JL A (281)
Monday June 27, 2016, 5:30 pm
No weekend updates. Today percent difference is still at 8.7% while number difference dropped to 427,991 with update from Solano county which should have been a combination of mail, provisional and any other ballots-they now show as no ballots left to count and became the 8th county to indicate they were done.
New updates dropped number by one, not percent change: Santa Clara, Shasta (Bernie ahead) and Sierra (Bernie ahead). Shasta and Sierra have now done their final updates as has Butte, Madera. The counties without updates are mainly ones where Bernie led on election night.
Estimated unprocessed ballots:
160,449 mail
407,799 provisional
18,624 other
586,872 total

JL A (281)
Monday June 27, 2016, 8:32 pm
Vote difference now 417,147 and down to 8.5% difference with additional votes from Los Angeles, San Diego and San Mateo; estimated unprocessed not updated again and none of these three are done reporting yet.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 7:19 am
Update from Monterey last night increased vote difference s couple hundred yet left percent alone;not their final report and estimated unprocessed was not updated again.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 4:38 pm
Colusa did their final update today and ended with a 26 vote difference, which equated to 2% in favor of Clinton. Total vote difference is 417,377 and still 8.5%. Estimated unprocessed report was updated and now shows:
160,031 mail
341,249 provisional
18,624 other
519,904 total
Based on the pattern I observed, the processed may mean at the county level without the updated votes having been reported to the SOS yet. Twenty counties show no votes unprocessed.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 5:49 pm
Percent difference dropped to 8.3% and number difference down to 415,820 with updates from Monterey and Ventura. Both counties are done with mail ballots on that estimated report. New time stamp, with same statewide totals as above.

JL A (281)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 8:38 pm
No percent changes, number difference down to 414,500 with updates on votes from Riverside and San Diego. Riverside shows as done with mailed a few days ago, so presumably mostly provisional. San Diego had only 200 mail left, so may have begun on provisional with this update.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 11:26 am
Additional from San Luis Obispo (Bernie leads) this morning, percent remains 8.3% difference and number difference down to 414,126. Six counties have not updated since election night and 12 are done. Estimated unprocessed not yet updated since I last provided.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 3:29 pm
Tehama did their final report, vote numbers and percents unchanged; Bernie won in the county. Unprocessed report updated with 5000 fewer provisional ballots left to count (apparently Riverside update).

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 5:43 pm
Percent difference dropped to 8.1% and number difference to 406,852 with vote update from Los Angeles; Madera now reports no votes not processed.
Estimated unprocessed:
154,228 mail
283,183 provisional
18,616 other
456,027 total

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 8:15 pm
There are 637,688 ballots cast beyond those counted on the estimated unprocessed and reported votes in the two major parties. No way to know if they were registered in other parties so couldn't vote in these primaries or votes in transition to being reported.

Percent remains at 8.1% and number difference is also unchanged with vote updates from San Diego. Sacramento shows as having submitted an update, but no vote updates showing (yet) and they still had over 15,000 provisionals to process. I may have checked while SOS is processing their updates.

JL A (281)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 8:57 pm
Percent is still 8.1% and vote number difference down to 404,088 with Sacramento's updated votes.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 7:40 am
About 10pm an update with no percent change increasing vote difference to 404,241 from Monterey update.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 4:38 pm
Percent remains 8.1% and number difference is 402,829 with updates from Kern, Marin, Monterey, Orange and Yuba; Yuba's is a final update (Bernie won) as is Orange.

Kern, Marin only had provisional, Monterey and Orange had processed all, and Yuba had over 600 mail, over 600 provisional and over 400 other totaling 1,799 as of last estimated unprocessed report.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 6:09 pm
Percent difference dropped to 7.9% and number to 400,860 with update from Mariposa (Bernie leads), Modoc (Bernie Leads), Mono (Bernie leads), more Monterey, Napa, Plumas (Bernie leads), San Diego, San Francisco, San Luis Obispo (Bernie leads), and Trinity (Bernie leads).

This was first update since election night for Modoc and Plumas.
The estimated unprocessed report shows 29 counties with zero left and:
146,253 mail
188,112 provisional
16,095 other
350,460 total

JL A (281)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 8:39 pm
Number difference dropped to 399,254, percent still 7.9% with update from Stanislaus (Central Valley) which had almost 2,500 mail left, 6,000 provisional and almost 2,900 other ballots to process as of last update.

Humboldt, Mendocino, Placer and Sonoma are now the only ones without updates since election night and 14 did their final reports.

JL A (281)
Friday July 1, 2016, 11:36 am
Percent remains 7.9%, number difference dropped to 398,423 with Stanislaus and San Joaquin's final updates making it 24 of the 58 counties who are done, including some more urban with larger populations like San Francisco and Orange. Estimated unprocessed has not been updated since last I reported it.

JL A (281)
Friday July 1, 2016, 12:44 pm
Number difference dropped to 394,176 with Mendocino's final report(the 25th complete): with Bernie having more than double the votes of Clinton in the county.
Estimated unprocessed (which includes tens of thousands from Stanislaus and Mendocino) with updated report:
146,253 mailed
188,112 provisional
16,095 other
350,460 total

JL A (281)
Friday July 1, 2016, 2:37 pm
Percent dropped to 7.7% and number to 393,688 with Inyo's (Bernie won) final update, Merced (Central Valley) update, San Luis Obispo final update (Bernie won), and Siskiyou final update (Bernie won); Tulare has submitted another update, but those votes don't show yet.

JL A (281)
Friday July 1, 2016, 5:04 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton Scheduled To Meet With FBI On Saturday

JL A (281)
Friday July 1, 2016, 5:55 pm
Percent still 7.7%, number difference dropped to 388,406 with Alpine's final update (Bernie won), Contra Costa's final update as been submitted, but not yet included in vote counts (has 49,000 unprocessed votes on latest update of that report), El Dorado update (switched to Bernie leading), Fresno update, Imperial update, Kings final update, Los Angeles update (now no mail ballots left), San Benito update, San Bernardino final update, more votes from San Diego, votes from Tulare showing now, and Ventura final update.
Estimated unprocessed report shows 40 counties now at zero. Only three counties haven't done updates since election night. 58% (n=33) have submitted their final updates.
127,054 mail
156,022 provisional
4,706 other
287,782 total

JL A (281)
Friday July 1, 2016, 8:44 pm
Percent still 7.7%, number difference dropped to 387,339 with update from Riverside which should all have been provisional ballots.

JL A (281)
Sunday July 3, 2016, 9:05 pm
Judy just posted

UNCOUNTED: The True Story of the California Primary
Posted on July 3, 2016 by Yves Smith

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday July 3, 2016, 11:00 pm
Bookmarked the video, and shared over social media to spread awareness.
Thanks Judy and JL A.

JL A (281)
Tuesday July 5, 2016, 11:29 am
Unprocessed report has been updated with 43 counties showing zero not processed (includes Los Angeles)--majority left are in counties Bernie is ahead in or provisional (or both). No additional vote updates showing yet (7.7% difference).
96,854 mail (about half in Sonoma)
46,412 provisional
3,321 other
146,587 total
(2nd attempt)

JL A (281)
Tuesday July 5, 2016, 5:29 pm
Difference dropped to 7.3%, number difference 373,612 with vote updates from Amador, Contra Costa, De; Norte (Bernie won), El Dorado (Bernie won), Fresno, Humboldt (Bernie won), Los Angeles, Marin, Nevada (Bernie won), Placer, Plumas (Bernie won), San Benito, San Diego, Santa Barbara (Bernie won), Santa Cruz (Bernie won), Sutter, and Tuolumne (Bernie won). Just 11 counties do not yet say they have submitted their final vote update.

JL A (281)
Tuesday July 5, 2016, 8:56 pm
Dropped to 7.1% and 362,423 difference with updates from Lake County (Bernie ahead), Riverside, Sacramento, more from San Diego, Santa Clara, and Tulare.
Updated unprocessed report:
45,023 mail
23,841 provisional
1,591 other
70,455 total

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 6, 2016, 7:42 am
Looks like the headline here is proved more and more correct! We've been seeing a lot of "Bernie ahead" as of lately, thanks Judi!
What happens if that difference should drop further to say 4-5 or 6%, really a margin of error ???? ;-)

JL A (281)
Wednesday July 6, 2016, 2:04 pm
Fresno, Kern, Merced (all Central Valley) and Santa Barbara (Bernie won) have updated votes (submitted final votes) today that increased back to 7.3% and 371,579. Update on uprocessed indicates only Lake (900) and San Mateo have votes left to process:
7,186 mail
1,633 provisional
0 other
8,819 total

JL A (281)
Wednesday July 6, 2016, 2:21 pm
Humboldt (Bernie ahead), Lake (Bernie ahead, San Mateo and Sonoma (Clinton ahead by 2.5%) are the only ones not showing as having submitted final updates; Humboldt and Sonoma last submitted on election night.
One weirdness observed is San Diego had at least on two occasions, two vote updates in a day for a single update submitted (where the person from OH was hired). I observed it on single occasions for a couple of other counties. Since San Diego submitted more updates than Los Angeles, Orange and San Francisco did, total votes in the update seems unlikely to be explanation.

JL A (281)
Wednesday July 6, 2016, 4:05 pm
Back down to 7.1% and 363,799 difference. Additional votes from Imperial, Mendocino (Bernie), Placer, Sonoma (flipped to Bernie by 4.7%).

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 6, 2016, 4:43 pm
That looks better now! :-) make it go down, fall, sink and deep!

JL A (281)
Wednesday July 6, 2016, 6:57 pm
Still 7.1%, but down to 363,579 with added votes from Lake (Bernie ahead), Lassen (Bernie ahead), Nevada (Bernie by more than 20%), Sacramento, San Luis Obispo (Bernie ahead), San Mateo, and Yolo (Bernie ahead now). Bernie leads or won in 27 of the 58 counties. Several Clinton leads are by very few votes (e.g., Colusa by 26).

Estimated unprocessed update shows only the 900 from San Mateo now. Humboldt is the only one showing as no update since election night; just Lake and San Diego are additional counties not yet showing they have submitted their final reports (all their votes).

JL A (281)
Saturday July 9, 2016, 7:01 pm
Presidential votes were due by the 5th, all others by the 7th. No vote updates from SOS since the 7th, yet it has not been certified as final. My county has posted what they certify as final, yet my family's mailed votes do not show as counted though were received timely (information legally required in CA). I've always been able to see it soon after county says final...

JL A (281)
Sunday July 10, 2016, 1:15 pm
State finally wraps up primary vote count — a month after election day
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