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As the annual Israeli Apartheid Week got underway this week in universities across Ontario and around the world, the denunciations are mounting. In the Ontario Legislature last week, MPPs from all parties supported a motion brought forward by Willowdale M


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Zahra Pilavdzic (274)
Friday March 5, 2010, 4:20 pm
Thank you habibti!

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday March 6, 2010, 4:11 am
Yes, thankyou Cheryl : )

. (0)
Saturday March 6, 2010, 7:13 am
Then if the stench will supposedly be the same no matter the name, I suggest that a more appropriate name be found for the situation. Since it isn't apartheid.

Rajee Seetharam (138)
Sunday March 7, 2010, 4:40 am
Thank you!

Terry B (649)
Sunday March 7, 2010, 12:05 pm
I find it revealing that one single member all of a sudden posts half dozen antisemitic articles at once.

Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Sunday March 7, 2010, 6:12 pm
The submissions are not anti-Semitic, but what you just wrote is slander. To S. Wood, it is actually worse than Apartheid in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Terry B (649)
Sunday March 7, 2010, 7:21 pm
For those needing a refresher course in English 101, statments in writing are never slander, which can refer only to oral discourse (Merriam-Webster Unsabridged [USA], Oxford English Dictionary {UK & Canada]). The analogous term for a wrting is "libel" but in either case the remarks must incorporate a misrepresentation to qualify. There can in no case be a misrepresentation in stating what I find revealing -- for example if I were to say that I find it revealing that the moon is made of green cheese, my view may be incorrect, but the statement of my view is not a misrepresentation of my opinion.

Likewise, said references also clarify anti-Semitism/antisemitism.

Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Sunday March 7, 2010, 9:19 pm
The analogy regarding the moon misrepresents the actuality of the moon's intrinsic nature, vis a vis one's findings of it being made of cheese, anti-Semitism or whatever else, and so yes, in point of fact one's statements or findings or feelings can be libelous in nature. And, the tired canard of anti-Semitism flung around at the slightest hint of criticism of Israel's oppression of the Palestinians reveals quite a lot about the person stating them, as well.

Past Member (0)
Monday March 8, 2010, 9:51 am
IAW stinks!

The group of radicals steals the money, given by students for students needs, and uses them to advance their political views. Normal folks protest by withdrawing money from OPIRG and other hijacked political bodies, but not everyone knows about that option yet, especially, for the first year.

As the real victims suffer: Cheryl posted 10-15 posts, thus shading all the other World news. Victims of real injustices lost their chance to attention due to a well-organized anti-Israel body.

Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Monday March 8, 2010, 3:20 pm
Vladimir, it may be you have a legitimate complaint to make to the representatives of the student body at your school if you object to the ways in which student fees are allotted. However, it is most unfortunate that you apparently are unaware of the depth of suffering imposed on the occupied and oppressed Palestinian people by Israel.

Cheryl B (375)
Monday March 8, 2010, 3:59 pm
@Valdimir maybe katz come back for Israel Apartheid week trolling or are you another invention of the very newTerry B. actually not a question.

@Diane, many of them are JIDF. they don't give a &**(, they are here to promote their propoganda and interfere as much as possible on all internet forums by the thousands. It was horrendous last year just prior and after the gaza masscure. It has always been hard for Palestine supporters on care2, until then.

. (0)
Monday March 8, 2010, 4:13 pm
I doubt Vladimir is Josh Katz - since Josh is usually pretty open about who he really is.

"The very new Terry B"? Well, I guess if we are becoming concerned about 'very new' members, we might mention the 'even more new" Diane M.

But, that wouldn't be fair. Since everyone starts out new in the beginning and newbie status is hardly grounds for suspicion.

But I don't think there are too many 'JIDF' around, Cheryl. I know it may be difficult to wrap your mind around the concept, but some people actually do have genuine differing opinions from your own. One of the fun parts of this world - and this forum. Life would be quite dull if we always thought the same.

Past Member (0)
Monday March 8, 2010, 5:03 pm
Cheryl, please do not confuse me with other people. I believe my existence is more real then some invention of Terry B - who is my Care2 friend and whom I respect for his knowledge, erudition and experience. I do not belong to JIDF, nor I am a troll, so please stop your slander.

Speaking about propaganda and interference, I don't see anybody more active than yourself, posting anti-Israel messages by tens and hiding all the other news from Care2 readers. I disagree with you and consider IAW repulsive, especially the fact that it is funded by money taken from unsuspecting students.

Diane, I participated in the campaign to educate students that they can withdraw money from OPIRG, if they disagree with the agenda, but still thanks for the advise. I am familiar with life in Israel better than many posters here, and know firsthand that called Israel an apartheid is another stealing - stealing of attention from victims of other REAL apartheids, like in Lebanon and Syria, where Palestinians live in horrendous conditions, which in no way can be compared to rights given by Israel to the Arab citizen.


Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Monday March 8, 2010, 5:31 pm
(As otherwise I am not exactly a spring chicken anymore, I'll take any description of me being 'new' I can get!)
Cheryl and Lindsey I think you are both right; Israel has reportedly conscripted or enlisted many to battle for hearts and minds on the internet including on forums. On the other hand, people hold differing opinions and the best thing about forums is the opportunity to share and advocate with a view to a better and more peaceful world. For example, this is an interesting 3 min. youtube of a former IDF air force captain's assessment of Israel's behavior toward Gaza.
Also, this 6 min. homemade video gives a sense of the day to day racist hostility Palestinians can be forced to endure. I find it hard to watch.

Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Monday March 8, 2010, 5:44 pm
Vladamir, I would dispute that treatment of Arab-Israelis is equal to Israeli Jews.Your comment above gives a sympathetic nod to the plight of Palestinian refugees in places such as Lebanon; they are illegally denied their right to return to their homes and lands in Israel by Israel. You do not mention that. You deflect attention away from the issue of apartheid under the Israeli military occupation and Jewish colonization of the Palestjnian West Bank and the on-going crushing military siege of Gaza.

Past Member (0)
Monday March 8, 2010, 8:26 pm
Diane, why do you think Palestinian refugees are entitled to a "right" to return to Israel to their property, while Jews expelled at the very same time from Arab countries are denied that very right? Do you know that the number of the expelled Jews is far greater, than the number of expelled Arabs?

As for Apartheid, I am bringing attention to the fact, that conditions of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon and Syria deserve to be called Apartheid on many more merits, than conditions of Israeli Arabs. After all, Arabs mke MKs, generals, ministers and business people in Israel, while in Lebanon they have no basic rights at all: NOT to vote, NOT to be professionals, NOT to become citizen.

If you are truly concerned about Palestinian rights, why wouldn't you look at the most serious offenders first? Unless, you just need an excuse to blame Israel as the source of all evils.

Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 8:22 pm
Hey Vladamir. I have been contemplating your ideas and questions today. You have asked me why I think Palestinians have a right of return to Israel if Jews do not have the right of return to Arab countries. This is an interesting ethical question. It deserves more discussion than it gets. First, I cannot comment on whether or not Jews can return to Arab countries they left because I do not know if Jews wish to go back to Arab countries they left, and if they did, whether or not they would be allowed to go back. I think few would want to try living in Arab countries while the oppression of Palestinians by Israel continues. But I could be wrong. There is a long-standing Jewish community in Iran that is apparently content where it is. So that is interesting.

If Jews were forcefully expelled that was wrong. If Jews were expelled without being able to take with them the full value of their possessions and holdings then this is an issue for legal consideration and compensation.

But, I believe that there is a fallacy in your linking the expulsion of Palestinians from their homes in Israel and any expulsion of Jews in Arab countries. No country should be above the law. All crimes suffered by victims ought to call for redress. We cannot say a crime was committed to me, therefore I intend to also commit similar crimes to people who had nothing to do with what happened to me.

It is factually false to imply that 'far greater' numbers of Jews were expelled by Arab countries than were Palestinians expelled by Israel. This is false.

Between 800,000 and one million Jews departed from Arab lands - some were expelled. Some were compelled. But importantly, some were enticed by Zionist organizations. Zionists wanted Jews to inhabit Palestine. Some Zionists were true fanatical zealots. Zionists could have saved some Jews from the Germans and didn't. Zionists could have helped some Jews escape to countries such as Britain. But didn't. 'One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland.' So believed one Zionist fanatic. (see:

Between 650,000 to 750,000 Palestinians were expelled, by force and through the use of terrorism, by Israel. Some Arab countries reacted to the plight of the Palestinians by reacting in kind toward their native Jewish citizens. I believe that any expulsion, any discrimination, is wrong.

The argument by Israel that Palestinians should not have the right of return, a right which is internationally recognized under international law, is weakened through actions of Israel herself. Israeli courts have granted Jews who lost control of properties in Jerusalem pre-1948 the right to take them back from Palestinians. As rights activists point out, this nullifies the case Israel tries to make that Palestinians who were expelled from their properties don't have the right to get it back. Another argument Israel tries to make is that all of this is ancient history; that current land ownership is carved in stone. The recent expulsions of Palestinian families from homes in Jerusalem they lived in for fifty years to give back to former Jewish owners completely nullifies Israel's argument that Palestinians do not have the right to take back what is theirs as well. (See: )

You keep insisting that we should only focus on the woeful treatment of Palestinians in places such as Lebanon, and that under no circumstances ought we to examine the woeful treatment of Palestinians either in Israel proper, the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. By your own argument you do not brook any discussion of Israel's crimes and imply, without coming right out with it, that not only is such criticism of Israel verbotten, but that it is racist to criticize Israel's racist oppression of the Paletinians.

What I would grant you Vladamir, is the fact that you may well not have a clue as to the true plight of Palestinians under Israel's boot. It is common knowledge that most Israelis themselves have little idea what their country is doing to the Palestinians either in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. But it seems to me that the German people did not come off too well in the court of world opinion when they claimed they did not know what their government was doing to the Jews, Gypsies, political opponents and activists, Gays, the Polish, physically and mentally handicapped and whoever else wasn't approved of or got in the Nazi juggernaut's way of its maniacal aims.

Under Israel's 1992 Law of Political Parties, any party platform that challenges the Jewish character of the state, that for example calls for full and complete equality between Jews and Arabs in a state for all its citizens, can be disqualified, as lists have been in the past. (See: )

Another example of discrimination against Arab-Israeli citizens: The government categorises the country into different zones and awards different statuses and benefits to different towns. For instance, it denotes certain areas national development areas, which then makes them eligible to receive benefits including special tax incentives for industry, educational programmes, and housing incentives. These areas are supposed to be determined according to socio-economic criteria. Yet the zones are drawn to include a disproportionate number of Jewish localities rather than Palestinian Arab ones. For example, in the 1998 classification, outof the 429 localities accorded Development Area A status, only 4 were Arab, despite the fact that Arab towns and villages are consistently at the bottom of the socio-economic scale. The zoning was used to exclude the vast majority of the Palestinian Arab minority from these benefits.

In the private sector employers openly discriminate against Arab-Israeli workers. (scroll to pg. 849:

(srry for that ridiculously long link.)

Another way Israeli-Arabs are discriminated against is in Israel's racist marriage laws. 'The naturalization law of December 2003, which bars Palestinians from the occupied territories from obtaining any residency status or citizenship in Israel through marriage to an Israeli citizen, thereby preventing them from living in Israel with their spouses. Heavily criticized by Israeli and international human rights groups, the law is aimed exclusively against Israel's Palestinian minority, whose members often marry across the Green Line.' (


Cheryl B (375)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 5:00 am
Including Gaza and West Bank as well as Israel yes it is apartheid take a look and the wall, the checkpoints. It's called segregation, forced

@Vlad: I will post as many as I want and up to as I have on/off for years for Palestine as do others. animal activists, one my friend posts up to ore more than 30 a day that make front page, so your point is mute, however katz aka 10 other names used to say the same thing. What often is an israeli propagandist method used is to reflect off of Israel and on to another country. War crimes matter not, or apartheid, or the wall, or stealing land, shooting farmers, fisherman, , denying necessities for life, building the largest open air prison in the world holding 1.5 million people, jailing over 11,000 palestinians, women and children included, 55 members of Palestine Parliament. racism, Israel is founded on it. While it brags about how modern it is, it is a welfare state that has received billions from the USA, and continues to yearly, as well as Jewish Organizations around the world.

Solutions are needed and none I can see forthcoming with Israeli government and the last elections even make that less possible, not even wanted. Israel is greedy, it wants land and resources, oil and water reservoirs under the west bank, the oil off of gaza which belongs to palestinians it is stealing of course. If I had the energy and other issues didn't take precedence now, I would post for Palestine every day, as well as several of my other causes. Then, as prior on/off with many of us, Palestine would always be in the news here and most not from msm

As for OPIRG, they post protest actions, and post IAW week themselves as well as the G20 & G8 mobilization (protests) , mind u this is last years, I am not up to searching the whole site

Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW) is taking place in more than 40 cities across the
globe (the number of cities is growing daily). This year, IAW happens in the
wake of Israel's barbaric assault on the people of Gaza. In Toronto, the
birthplace of IAW, a full week of lectures, films, and actions will make the point that these latest massacres further confirm the true nature of Israeli Apartheid. The theme for IAW 2009 in Toronto is "Standing United with the People of Gaza", events will take place at the University of Toronto, Ryerson University and York University. IAW 2009 will continue to build and strengthen the growing Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement at a global level.

We are very proud to announce our two Toronto keynote speakers for IAW 2009:

Omar Barghouti is an independent Palestinian researcher, commentator and human rights activist. He is a founding member of the Palestinian campaign of boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) to force Israel to uphold international law and universal human rights.

He holds a bachelor's and master's degrees in electrical engineering from
Columbia University, NY. He contributed to the philosophical volume, "Controversies and Subjectivity" (John Benjamins, 2005) and to "The New Intifada: Resisting Israel's Apartheid" (Verso Books, 2001). He advocates an ethical vision for a unitary, secular democratic state in historic Palestine.

Ronnie Kasrils was born in Johannesburg, South Africa, 1938. Grandparents Jewish immigrants from Czarist Russia (Lithuania). Joined ANC 1960 after Sharpeville massacre. This led to a lifetime of political activism. For many years Kasrils was a member of both ANC and Communist Party national executive committees. Appointed deputy minister of defence in South Africa's first democratic government (1994-99); Minister of Water Affairs and Forestry (1999-2004); Minister Intelligence Services (2004-2008). Has
retired from government and devotes himself to writing, lecturing and Palestine solidarity. Autobiography "Armed & Dangerous" (publisher Jonathan Ball, Johannesburg). Married to§ion=4&subsection=14&type=3&id=430

@Diane, well done, you have much more patience than I do

Cheryl B (375)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 5:05 am
Palestinian Right of return, you dare ask that after zionists let their own people die and be killed to get Palestine, saying it was their right of return from a religious book. For more education research the ,Nakba, and google "palestine remembered"
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