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If you haven't yet voted on the question "Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?", the featured debate between Dr. Katz and Jack Hanna in this month's Costco Magazine, please VOTE NOW! The "yes" side has gained 10% in the past 2 weeks...



   

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MeowFoul B (191)
Friday June 25, 2010, 10:53 am
If you haven’t yet voted on the question “Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?”, the featured debate between Dr. Katz and Jack Hanna in this month’s Costco Magazine, please VOTE NOW! The “yes” side has gained 10% in the past 2 weeks. Let’s send an overpowering message to the magazine’s 3 million readers about this vital issue – results posted in next
 

(0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:06 am
Voted No!
 

. (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:11 am
That's a resounding NO I voted. Animals should be left to do what they do best - be animals. Preferably in the wild, although I do acknowledge the necessity for conservation efforts and wildlife reserves.

Of course, conservation is a result of human interference.
 

Tamara WILLIAMS (176)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:17 am
VOTED NO AND NOTED STORY
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:18 am
Excellent point made Andrew
 

liz c (827)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:21 am
The No votes are winning. Hooray. Thank you.
 

liz c (827)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:24 am
I voted and noted.
 

Kay F (550)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:31 am
No, no, no;( Thanks Meow!

Yes 805 Votes 20.0%
No 3220 Votes 80.0%
Total Votes 4025 Votes
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:43 am
NO!
 

Gudrun D (447)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:47 am
Voted No - thanks MeowFoul.


Yes 805 Votes 19.9%
No 3233 Votes 80.1%
Total Votes 4038 Votes





 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 11:49 am
VOTED! - VERY WELL SAID, ANDREW!!!!
 

Jackie I (15)
Friday June 25, 2010, 12:03 pm
Voted no, thanks Sabrinna.
 

Lou Olive (41)
Friday June 25, 2010, 12:11 pm
WILD ANIMALS SHOULD LIVE FREE...MY OPINION.
 

(0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 12:21 pm
voted...thanks
 

Margaret S (53)
Friday June 25, 2010, 12:27 pm
Thats a big NO from me...

Yes 805 Votes 19.8%
No 3254 Votes 80.2%
Total Votes 4059 Votes
 

chris b (2474)
Friday June 25, 2010, 12:30 pm
Noted and voted no!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 12:36 pm
I voted 'No'. I do support zoos in the name of conservation efforts. I do not, however, support circuses and other such places where (often beaten and abused) animals are forced to do unnatural tricks for your amusement. That is what I disapprove of. If the animals were treated properly and weren't FORCED to do these tricks against their will, then perhaps I would think differently, but that is seldom the case.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 12:44 pm
Yes 805 Votes 19.8%
No 3260 Votes 80.2%

Of Course NO!! Done!!
Thanks Meow
 

Jacque K (35)
Friday June 25, 2010, 1:03 pm
noted,voted and NO they shouldn't
 

Alison A (244)
Friday June 25, 2010, 1:07 pm
Of course they shouldn't!

Some times I see a dog chasing after a ball and think 'he is happy and enjoys playing', that is not the case with these animals. If they lived a lavish lifestyle and it was possible for them to enjoy themselves and feel that they are playing, then just like the dog catching the ball, maybe, but we all know they lead a horrible caged up life, working to provide a lifestyle for their owner, getting little in return and then being disposed of once they are no longer useful.

How is this still acceptable???

Obviously I voted no, thanks for posting Meow.
 

. (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 1:41 pm
Gladly voted no! Thanks Meowfoul xxx
 

Katherine Maar (17)
Friday June 25, 2010, 1:49 pm
I can't believe almost 20% said yes! Who would agree with wild animals being forced to perform ridiculous tricks. I see nothing pleasurable about that for animals or humans. 80% should be enough to see that most people find it inhumane, but 20%!?
 

Jason Green (235)
Friday June 25, 2010, 1:50 pm
Informed Debate
Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 805 Votes 19.6%
No 3293 Votes 80.4%
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Friday June 25, 2010, 1:57 pm
`Kaherine, you are right, pity there are such sadistic people out there in the big bad world.
 

Mima M (244)
Friday June 25, 2010, 2:19 pm
Never go there :(
 

Ginger Geronimo (438)
Friday June 25, 2010, 2:34 pm
Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 805 Votes 19.5%
No 3313 Votes 80.5%
Total Votes 4118 Votes

Thank you for participating in our survey.
 

Fortunal T (89)
Friday June 25, 2010, 2:46 pm
Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 805 Votes 19.6%
No 3311 Votes 80.4%
Total Votes 4116 Votes

You have already voted.
 

Adam H (4)
Friday June 25, 2010, 3:01 pm
Yes 19.5%
No 80.5%
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 3:02 pm
I've voted -- NO, of course. Spread the word, tell your friends and family members -- keep the "NO" votes rolling in!
 

Tina Mia P (141)
Friday June 25, 2010, 3:36 pm
THanks ! Notes and voted NO! Wild animal must live in wild, they belong there!
 

Carol M (103)
Friday June 25, 2010, 3:45 pm
Voted no, they should never be used for enterainment
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 3:53 pm
Voted no, never should be used for entertainment. They must just live free and be loved.
 

Nightcat Mau (81)
Friday June 25, 2010, 4:07 pm
Yes 805 Votes 19.4%
No 3343 Votes 80.6%
Total Votes 4148 Votes

Voted and noted. Voted no of course.
 

Jacqueline Ann s (45)
Friday June 25, 2010, 4:19 pm
I voted no, as I would never agree that animals should be used for entertainment purposes. Andrew wrote an excellent comment above, which I agree with entirely. I find it shocking the amount of yes votes there was!
 

Diane Miles (1)
Friday June 25, 2010, 4:32 pm
voted NO this is animal abuse and should be stopped
 

Patrizia S (315)
Friday June 25, 2010, 4:53 pm
VOTED NO
 

Teleia P (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:02 pm
Noted no, and took notice that 80.7% of all people voted no.
 

Nancy Roussy (79)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:08 pm
I voted no because they shouldn't!
 

Lorna Soto (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:13 pm
Porsupuesto que no!!!!!! Ellos necesitan tener su libertad, amor y respeto!!!!!
I voted ...NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Jenifer M (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:18 pm
voted no. pass it on and keep the no votes coming.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:20 pm
Ummm. no brainer here. NO!
 

Edu Z (36)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:30 pm
A big NO!
 

Bev B (1)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:39 pm
voted NO NO NO !!!!
 

Leah Wallin (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 5:45 pm
I voted No
 

nadine F (41)
Friday June 25, 2010, 6:32 pm
even as a child i was offended by the vugarity of circuses and zoos where animals were on display for the amusement of humans.
then again - humans do it to other humans as well.
 

Pami W (177)
Friday June 25, 2010, 6:40 pm
Yes 806 Votes 19.2%
No 3392 Votes 80.8%
Total Votes 4198 Votes
I voted no.
 

Kristen Campbell (82)
Friday June 25, 2010, 6:42 pm
Voted No and cross posted. Thanks!
 

EchoRose G (170)
Friday June 25, 2010, 6:44 pm
Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 806 Votes 19.2%
No 3392 Votes 80.8%
Total Votes 4198 Votes

 

Gita Platthy (4)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:03 pm
I hate seeing circus elephants chained up at their feet & rocking side to side, bored out of their minds and well beyond healthy stress levels. I always have! They are highly intelligent beings with high sensibilities; seemingly much higher than the inhuman people who have done this to them. I feel the same about all animals kept in tiny cages or abused & forced to do tricks. It is so disgusting! I only remember going to one circus with animals in it, as a child, and I remember wishing the lion would bite the head off the nasty lion tamer. I would've been put off circuses for life, had not Cirque du Soleil (a circus that doesn't have any non-human performers in it) come to Sydney and totally blown me away! Wow!
 

marissa a (70)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:08 pm
It's a shame that we should even have to ask this question! I would hope that the world would agree the asnswer is no! Thank you for posting.
 

Colleen Klaum (313)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:27 pm
Noted and voted no, that's a no-brainer :)
 

karen e (59)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:30 pm
Huge No Vote, and noted!!!
 

. (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:55 pm
80.9 % NO. Thanks, Meow
 

Valerie H (133)
Friday June 25, 2010, 8:16 pm
NO ~ now @ 80.9%
 

Julie P (54)
Friday June 25, 2010, 8:27 pm
absolutely no!
 

Glamour Girlcat (32)
Friday June 25, 2010, 8:39 pm
You're a Meowie Wowie for posting this, MeowFoul - Thank you. Of course I voted NO!
 

FulviaAway M (314)
Friday June 25, 2010, 9:45 pm
Yes 806 Votes 19.0%
No 3435 Votes 81.0%
Total Votes 4241 Votes
Thank you!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 10:29 pm
sure no,
and no for circus too.

Thanks MeowFoul.
 

KS Goh (0)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 12:32 am
Definitely not.
 

beba h (89)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 12:58 am
Voted no !
 

SAM LOVES PETER H (143)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 3:51 am
NOTED !!! THANX !!!
 

Mike M (40)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 4:16 am
NOted and signed
 

Mathew Wallace (1159)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 4:38 am
Voted No !

Thanks Meow!
 

Jean Lord (46)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 5:03 am
I voted no.
 

Maurene T (122)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 5:35 am
Voted NO!
Thanks for posting.
 

Sylvia Walker (18)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 6:54 am
NO OF COURSE. I suggest people voting yes to perform in circuses or anywhere instead of wild (or any) animals..... Not sure they will vote yes though
 

Eva Ries (237)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 7:42 am

Just voted NO, as of right now, it's 81% No, and 18% Yes. Wonder what Costco is doing with this? Hmm.
 

beatrice d (124)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 7:47 am
what surprises me is that we need to vote and still see that people find amusing things against animal's nature to please US.
I find it truly sad.
 

Randy James Martinez (31)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 8:21 am
Just voted NO and tweeted it out to my 238 loyal twitter followers! Thanks for the Forward ,DIAN !!! "RJM"
 

. (0)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 8:45 am
Voted No
 

Veronica G (108)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:00 am
Voted 'NO' - of course. Ayes at 18.3%, so a few more NO votes are needed.
 

Eva Ries (237)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:07 am

Beatrice said, "what surprises me is that we need to vote and still see that people find amusing things against animal's nature to please US. I find it truly sad."

That pretty much sums it up - that we still even think there should be a "vote" on this as being acceptable or not! It's a foregone conclusion! The only that stands in the way is stubbornness and people's greed.
 

. (0)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:26 am
Yes 806 votes
No 3528
thanks.
 

Hannah H (98)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:51 am
Voted! Thanks Meow.
 

Sara T (3)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:53 am
NOOOO!
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:53 am
Glamour G never been called that before LOL thanks.
 

Diana C (27)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 11:01 am
Now, listen, all of you who have second thoughts or are not sure. ANIMALS ARE NOT, REPEAT, ARE NOT OURS. NOT OURS, YOU UNDERSTAND? Animals exist for their own reasons and not to be our food, or our coat or shoes, or our tools, or to do our hard work, or to entertain us in any way or form. Got that? When will mankind (manmean?) understand this. Women are not for men, blacks are not for whites, animals are not for us--Alice Walker
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 11:02 am
Thanks to all thoise who forwarded onwards and thanks to those who voted no. For some of you this question seems a no brainer I mena who wants to use and abuse an animal, to some it's needless to even say they vpted no ( I mean of course you voted no) but there are some sick people out there, ad we need to get a voice accorss, to learn more about this poll and entertainment on animals go to IDA's latest news letter it will be on their site. Thanks to you all again.
 

Diana C (27)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 11:02 am
Jack Hana is nothing but an opportunist who has made his millions exploiting animals. He belongs in a cage.
 

Dalile OUAI (13)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 11:10 am
Animals are not born to amuse people, they should leave free in nature
 

Darlene Therrien (161)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 11:31 am
I voted NO
 

Donna B (39)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 12:25 pm
Voted No.
 

c w (11)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 12:44 pm
Makes me sick
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:09 pm
My vote > 81,6% NO . Thanks for this important post!
 

Darlene K (356)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:21 pm
voted no

Yes 806 Votes 18.4%
No 3567 Votes 81.6%
Total Votes 4373 Votes
 

Valerie H (133)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:26 pm
NO ~ now still @ 81.6%
 

Lyne F (93)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:34 pm
The 80/20 rule has GOT to evolve!

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
 

Fran F (116)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:41 pm
NO!!!!

yes: 18.4%
no: 81.6%
total: 4373

I actually think these numbers are somewhat encouraging. Ten years ago the "yes" votes would have been much higher. The general public is becoming more aware of the plight of wild animals caused by widespread loss of habitat, due in part to so many displaced bears, coyotes, wildcats and other animals showing up in cities and towns. lCirque du soleil and similar non-cruelty circuses have probably helped raise awareness of the animal abuse in conventional circuses.
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:46 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Fran because you have done so within the last week.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:46 pm
Voted no and wondered who the other 18% might be. Somehow the images of "The people of WalMart" came to mind.
 

Valerie S (70)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 2:01 pm
Noted & voted (NO of course)!
 

Dafna L (35)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 3:25 pm
Noted and gladly voted. Thanks
 

Mervi R (74)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 6:19 pm
noted, voted NO
 

Antony Stone (7)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 8:58 pm
hell no. Wild animals should be left alone in the wild.
 

sherrie e (147)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 8:59 pm
Of course not! The answer is NO!
 

Marty H (119)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 1:03 am
No's have it by far at this point! Thanks!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 3:39 am
Voted and noted, thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 7:19 am
Hell no
 

Buffy F (93)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 7:38 am
No, no, no voted and signed
 

Mike H (252)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 10:49 am
Voted NO Thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 10:51 am
noted and voted NO!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 11:33 am
i voted no,my whole life i remember saying,even as a little girl--no 2ton elephant wants to stand on one leg and no fur covered lion wants to jump through a ring of fire,these are cruel and inhumane acts,not to mention when they are not 'PERFORMING the disgusting way they are treated and how they must love.'
 

Suzanne S (760)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 11:38 am
Noted and NO vote cast!
 

Suzanne S (760)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 11:43 am
I would much rather see the animals in the wild or in the reserves and sanctuaries where they can lead the life they are meant to, as nature intended. So many wonderful comments on this thread - thank you MeowFoul for posting, and Carol H. for forwarding to me so I could take part and vote NO to the exploitation of wildlife.
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 1:00 pm
Noted & voted "NO"!

This was the position after I had placed my "NO" vote:

Yes 807 Votes 17.9%
No 3695 Votes 82.1%
Total Votes 4502 Votes

Roooibos Bird - "Just voted NO. Wonder what Costco is doing with this? Hmm. " - Yes indeed! Valid point!

Animals are alive for reasons beyond our ken. They exist as an end in themselves and not as a means to an end! Humans do not own the animals, and the way most of our species are abusing, torturing and maltreating billions of animals every single year is to our great shame.

 

MeowFoul B (191)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 1:03 pm
Anna thank you for your wonderful comment
You cannot currently send a star to Anna because you have done so within the last week.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 1:09 pm
Voted NO and noted.

But I would like to defend those who voted yes by giving them the benefit of the doubt. I truly believe that if they knew about the poor treatment of circus animals, 99% of them would have voted NO. But I didn't know about it until I joined Care2, which means that there are plenty of others who don't know.

The article wasn't offered for us to read here (at least I didn't see an option to read it), so none of the 20% even had an opportunity to weigh the pros and cons.

With very rare exceptions, it always looks like the animals are fine, and we ALWAYS see the "affection" the tamers have for them when they've done a good job. There is a presumed logic here in that, if a lion was angry or unhappy, it would not appear to appreciate the affection that is shown publicly. In fact, logically, it would attack, which only happens very rarely.

So I would like to defend the people who voted yes, simply because they truly don't know any better. They will learn when it's time, just as we all do.

Cheers!
 

Kari D (192)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 1:36 pm
Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 807 Votes 17.9%
No 3701 Votes 82.1%
Total Votes 4508 Votes
 

Kari D (192)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 1:37 pm
NO NO NO
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 2:37 pm
Yes 807 Votes 17.9%
No 3706 Votes 82.1%
Total Votes 4513 Votes
 

Rhonda Maness (580)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 2:57 pm
Yes 807 Votes 17.9%
No 3708 Votes 82.1%
Thanks Carol
 

Carol L (219)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 3:00 pm
The No's are way ahead!!! Voted and noted!!!!
 

pj d (57)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 4:32 pm
Absolutely never.
 

Anna S (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 5:14 pm
It's a sad testament to "culture" that humans feel the need to be "entertained" by wild animals...
 

gerlinde p (161)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 5:53 pm
voted no, thanks
 

Frank Pickens (126)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 6:15 pm
It is disappointing that jack Hanna would make some of the statements he made about animals in the wild, but he is Mr. Zookeeper, yet many Zoo's are run horribly. NO to you Hanna
 

Kaye S (45)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 6:38 pm
Done, thanks.
 

Richard T (23)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 7:06 pm
No.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 10:03 pm
Voted NO! Animals are God's creation for our pleasure to watch them & to protect them in their natural habitats! Not put on earth to entertain humans, be used & abused by human! These animals deserved kindness & respect as they in most cases behave better then some humans in many aspects. Thanks.
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 11:10 pm
Deanna I see your point, but even if they were treated "humanely" it's just like people falling for the humane myth of farming, all that free range banter they go on about, it doesn't make it ok, just as treating an animal well in entertainment doesn't make it ok, they are menat for the wild, most unatural things are cruel even when the animal are treated well and it doesn't take much to figure that out.
 

Bryony J. (1)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 11:26 pm
voted no
 

Pam F (221)
Monday June 28, 2010, 1:52 am
:) Your comment gave me a smile, Iris C. - good one!

Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 807 Votes 17.7%
No 3746 Votes 82.3%
Total Votes 4553 Votes

You have already voted.
 

Cheree M (46)
Monday June 28, 2010, 3:34 am
Noted & Voted NO..TY

Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 807 Votes 17.7%
No 3748 Votes 82.3%
Total Votes 4555 Votes

Thank you for participating in our survey.

 

Ciara T (42)
Monday June 28, 2010, 4:10 am
Noted and voted no! People who treat animals as mere things disgust me.
 

Michael Masley (4)
Monday June 28, 2010, 4:52 am
voted and noted
 

Joy W (100)
Monday June 28, 2010, 6:44 am
Noted and Voted ....... NO.
 

Jenny Dooley (830)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:05 am
Noted and voted, thanks
 

Magdalena M (0)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:19 am
Voted NO already and now again.Thanks.
 

Maria P (100)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:45 am
Noted and voted, thank you!
 

Angelique van Egmond (38)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:54 am
Voted NO
 

patricia lasek (317)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:58 am
Voted NO twice now. And the nos are winning 82.4%.
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Monday June 28, 2010, 8:03 am
petricia you can only vote once, it won't count a second vote it will just say thank you you have alreday voted. I have tried. Thanks for voting no once though.
 

. (0)
Monday June 28, 2010, 10:25 am
Voted. Thank you!!

Yes 807 Votes 17.6%
No 3780 Votes 82.4%
Total Votes 4587 Votes
 

Heather A (32)
Monday June 28, 2010, 12:05 pm
The Nos are winning by a landslide!
 

Irene M (9)
Monday June 28, 2010, 3:55 pm
Voted, Thank you,MeowFoul.
No 3802 Votes 82.5%
 

Peggy S (16)
Monday June 28, 2010, 6:25 pm
voted no
 

Brigitte Cavanagh (60)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:04 pm
voted no, shared, facebooked and twitted telling to vote no under COGNAC7777 thank you.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 12:23 am
Meow, I agree with you (I voted NO). I wasn't defending the circus people for doing what they do. I was defending the (now) 17.6% of the voters who voted yes, simply because they didn't read the article and they don't know the horrible conditions of those animals.

Sad to say, but MANY people who comment on anything in C2 don't ever read anything except their own comments. And then they don't track the thread and never return. Those are probably the majority of types of people who voted yes.

I base a lot of my attitudes on my own past experiences. In this case, I had other things in my own personal life to think about, not really being interested in politics or current events until I met someone who made it interesting for me in 1981. There is a LOT of responsibility that comes with knowledge.

I think that most people here, who don't read others' comments are just not ready to learn from others. They have their convictions, and nobody elses opinions really matter in THEIR scheme of things. Those are the ones who say "what would a circus be without animals?" They can honestly say that because they haven't read the answers from so many of us.

So, I don't put them down (anymore), because they truly do not know any better. I am TRYING to remember to try to educate them with kindness now, which wasn't the case when I first began commenting last Sept. Giggle, I have learned, in not so pleasant ways, that kind understanding is a better approach than put-downs and anger. At least until the unwarranted attacks against me don't let up. (grin).
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 12:29 am
I totally understand deanna, I just wish people would deeply think before casting votes, how can it not be cruel, an animal is not suposed to be of any USE for us so therefore no matter how well we care for it using becomes a form of cruelty. We must never forget we were once ignorant in this matter.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 1:43 am
Hmm, I'm not sure I agree that animals should not ever be used for our purposes. When animals are treated as partners in activities, much good comes out of it. Cowboys would not have the allure and mystique without having ridden horses. And I'm glad there are dogs for sniffing out drugs and doing other police activities. And I'm especially glad there are service animals to help the handicapped.

During WWII, dolphins were trained to take bombs that were lightly magnetically attached to their heads, and attach them to enemy ships, then leave the area before they could get hurt. In other words, animals can be great partners in life, just like people. And they are the best of companions.

But like you, I don't think animals should be in the circus. No matter how much the owners try to make life good for them, it just can't be what they need. And this is a brand new thought for me. I never thought about it until recently.

I just LOVE the education I've gotten since beginning to participate in the topics on Care2. What a blessing.
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 1:57 am
We shall have to agree to disagree on that one Deanna, no animal should live a life serving us, even if it is a "good outcome" we cannot relate to them fully though we do so very well, we cannot tell how unhappy they may be, we should leave it up to them to help us, as they often do.
 

virginia l (69)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 6:56 am
NOTED SIGNED AND I WISH I COULD HAVE MORE NO BUTTONS TO CLICK
 

Wolf LuvR (120)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 2:57 pm
noted, voted NO.
Yes 808 Votes 17.3%
No 3850 Votes 82.7%
Total Votes 4658 Votes
 

Nadja Herten (46)
Wednesday June 30, 2010, 6:35 am
Thanks for posting! Of course I voted "No"!
It's still 82.7%...
 

Elaine W (103)
Wednesday June 30, 2010, 12:10 pm
810 voted yes ??? Why ?
NO of course is the only correct answer.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Wednesday June 30, 2010, 6:08 pm
Ok Meow, We can agree to disagree. But just one more thought: How man disabled people would be housebound or even in nursing homes if it wasn't for service animals? Service animals love their owners just as much as the owners love them. And pets LOVE to be rewarded for doing things, whether they are trained to do them or not. Being partners with animals is much the same as being partners with people. Mutual benefit is the key desire.

Cheers!
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 30, 2010, 11:32 pm
Noted and voted
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 9:56 am
maybe we should just settle for less it's all about OUR needs and what WWE want and "need", you cannot bag animal though, to say that they ALL enjoy the service work and ALL are equally loved by their owners. I have known more than one very unhappy guide dog but it's owner did take good care of him and treat him well because I knew the owner, the dog was still unhappy, simply because the life is unnaturual.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 2:02 pm
Ahhh no. We should not settle. We should strive to improve. We should always strive to improve. Just because something isn’t working according to the original vision, that doesn’t mean we should stop trying to achieve it (and adjust the vision when necessary). We’d never have the light bulb if that were the case.

When I was a teenager, my family had a dog, a whippet named Brenda. We got her from another family when she was still young. When she came to us, she bonded to me and we were wonderfully inseparable. But when I went to school, my mother said she was terribly unhappy and nothing she did helped. So I was forced to say goodbye to my beloved Brenda so she could go back to her original family. But how do I know she was any happier with the family that gave her up in the first place? Maybe she was just unhappy because she wasn't with ME.

What I am saying is that we don't always know why a dog is unhappy. And it's always possible that a choice has been made that doesn't suit a particular personality. But dogs are pets, and it would not be natural or kind to let them run wild and fend for themselves (which SEEMS like the MOST natural thing).

When we are talking about people who truly love their animals, we pay attention to what they are telling us, and we do our best to give them what they need.

My current dog chose ME. I gave him away 3 times because we already had 2 dogs, 7 cats and 4 parakeets when he showed up at our door. But he jumped his new owners’ 6’ fence, found his way thru 2 miles of winding roads, and jumped OUR 6’ fence to be with me. After the 3rd time, I realized “oh, he owns ME.”

And now after 10 years, we are practically inseparable. It hurts both of us when I have to leave him at home. We need each other, and nobody can say that I am being cruel to him by owning him. I’ve taught him little tricks, like to kiss me or touch my right hand if he wants a snack. He’s also learned that he gets a snack after his night-time potty session.

But if his snacks came because he turned on the light or opened the fridge and got me a drink, or any other number of service dog activities, he’d still be just as happy to do the job. That’s because he loves to please me regardless of the snack. He’s very expressive and I can usually figure out what he wants very quickly. One time he even came to get me when he’d trapped a raccoon. He left the raccoon because he wanted to share his triumph with me. And he was very clear about wanting me to follow him.

I don’t live my life with him based on what ‘I’ need. I live it with him based on what HE needs. I am in GA, originally on business, but had to leave him in my CA home. HIS needs trumped what I THOUGHT was best, and I ended up having to fly him to Atlanta, even tho EVERYTHING was done for him just like I asked. He is so much happier now that he’s back with me again. And I am happier too.

I am happy to agree that wild animals should not be used in a circus. But I can’t agree that it’s wrong for domesticated animals to have been domesticated. And that means that pets and owners are partners and do what is best for each other with the best possible outcome.

And because animals have unique personalities, just like people, it’s important to pay attention to what they are telling us when we are choosing a non-essential activity for them.

And I am ok with agreeing to disagree on this.

Cheers!
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 2:11 pm
using animal for our improvement? just isn;t right to me, just isn;t nature's way, what makes us say that is right and it is our right to use them for anything. we shall realy have to agree to disagree.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 6:09 pm
Well, I'm not sure how you can say that it isn't natural for animals to come to the aid of humans, even of their own volition, since there are thousands of documented cases that prove that they do. But I'm ok with agreeing to disagree. It certainly isn't one of the bigger issues we could be discussing, right?

Cheers to you Meow!
 

MeowFoul B (191)
Friday July 2, 2010, 9:44 am
Don't get me wrong, I have a book of animal stroies of how animals have helped humans, but they are stories whereno training was provided, that is what I am against, making a service out of them is sick. they often want to help humns and are happy to do so, which is fair enough. cheers to you too, i can see where you are coming from.
 

Laurie H (818)
Saturday July 3, 2010, 7:38 pm
It seems that I have already voted, NO of course, but thank you so much Ray and Meow for this! To me, animals are not here for our entertainment or to be used and abused in any way. I have adored animals my entire life and want to live to see the day when animals finally obtain their rights and the most severe punishments would be given to those who break the laws! "Until one has loved an animal, their souls remain unawakened"~
 

Elaine R (130)
Sunday July 4, 2010, 10:27 am
NO IS 83.2% - WE ARE WINNING
 

Antonio Amador (60)
Monday July 5, 2010, 2:58 am
No 83.2%. Thank you for sharing
 

chulis z (21)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 12:45 pm
porfabor voten no para que paren la crueldad que estan asiendo con los animales
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 4:15 am
Animals are not entertainers under pressure. They will entertain you, the loving companion and only when they feel like it. Let them be..... Stupid humans can entertain each other.
 

J. J. (30)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:01 pm
Voted No!

Informed Debate
Should wild animals be used for our entertainment?
Yes 820 Votes 16.8%
No 4070 Votes 83.2%
Total Votes 4890 Votes

 

Arthur Killings (9)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 2:57 pm
NO !!
 
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