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Petition EU Referendum Rules Triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

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- 1063 days ago -
We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.


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Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 4:50 am
Sign and share, if you're able to.

AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1065)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 4:51 am
I am with you on this Darren but can't sign

Ivana D (50)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:16 am
#1,327,612 thanks Darren

wendy k (163)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:21 am
This Government (UK) has made a rule, that if people who are in a work Union, and want to strike for what ever reason, - 3 quarters of the union members have to be in favour, of Strike action, - - or they wont be able to strike
Maybe the same should apply here, .-
If only the "stay campaign" had made a special programme , starting before Britain was a member of the then "Common Market" - progressing through the years,- of Britain being part of the European Union - to the present day,. - Pointing out the Gains and Losses / Pro's & Cons of being in the EU,
Then everyone maybe,- would have had a clearer idea of the Facts ! - I feel we would still be in the EU today. ??
I signed the petition, but am not holding my breath. ---
Darren at least you are trying to do something, well done love hugs x wendy k x & kelly cats xxxxxxxx

joanne p (47)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:32 am

joanne p (47)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:34 am

joanne p (47)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:36 am

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 6:46 am
Definitely shared - as widely as I can!

Makes a great deal of sense - Brexit means irrevocable change - on the basis of the voices of just over 1/3 of eligible UK citizens. (and close to a million UK citizens living in Europe weren't eligible to vote, either - which in itself would have narrowed the gap almost completely since most are pro-EU membership)

I've seen some comments by Brexiters who have developed cold feet, too - once the result came in & more of the implications became very real!
Thanks, Darren

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 6:49 am
Now 1,526,188 signatures - 15 times more than necessary for this to be debated!
"Waiting for 1 day for a debate date"

Donna T (0)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:13 am
Thank you.

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:13 am
For those who are not sure what Brexit has done or is doing I've placed an article on.
David Cameron Resigns As UK Shocks The World

I'll cross post this to my article Darren - good luck.

joanne p (47)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:28 am

joanne p (47)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:29 am

joanne p (47)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:33 am

joanne p (47)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:36 am

Solitary Eagle (324)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 7:52 am
Noted, but can't sign. Wish I could. Thanks Darren.

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 8:24 am
Now up to 1,725,305 signatures, & rising!

Wendy - at least they are FORCED to debate on this! (if there are 100,000 they have to set a date for debate)!

Technically, Britain hasn't yet left (although the EU is already acting as though the UK Parliament had met, & activated Article 50).

The Bank of England has already had to put £ 250 billion in, to stabilise the market ...

And Boris Johnson seems to be having cold feet! A Pyrrhic Victory? Boris Johnson Wakes Up to the Costs of Brexit
(Doesn't he look like a brother or cousin of Trump?!! :>D

Shirley S (187)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 8:35 am

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 8:44 am
Looks like the price to pay for ignorance..
''What's EU?' Post-Brexit Google stats imply UK voters were clueless at polls "

The word is a second referendum is rather unlikely, thank your media which did this job like they did and do in the US as well!
However, on principle I do agree with the point made that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

Can't sign and frankly, not so sure if this Kraut would want to even if I could. One less US poodle and warmonger, Russophobe, NATO lover in the EU can't be that bad. And can't wait till Oktober for David to p****off!
For now I enjoy how the world's richest people are loosing billions! The entire EU will likely crash sooner or later anyway.
Thx Darren.

Frans Badenhorst (582)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 8:52 am
1,802,501 signatures
We've added your signature to the petition:

EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

thanks Darren

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 9:05 am
This has been passed to me by a friend who gets mails from, concerning the rights of animals formulated within the European Union:

Animae C (508)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 11:27 am
We've added your signature to the petition:
EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
2,132,253 signatures

Thanx Daz

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 11:55 am
I am part of the British Commonwealth by birth and still, but I am not a British citizen or resident so I can't sign. 2,167,082 signatures

If I recall correctly, in the US, ratification of an amendment to the constitution requires a 75% approval by the states . . . in other words, 38 states must ratify, and that's after all the debate etc to get it to the ratification point. On such an important matter with decidedly negative repercussions, one would think that the 50 + 1 rule would be inadequate.

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 12:56 pm
Gladly signed thx Darren

Kate Kenner (215)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 3:18 pm
Thanks for that Darren. he looks a bit like Trump to and that is not compliment. I have to say he doesn't have quite the comb over that the Donald has. It should be an interesting ride as it will be here.

Sam H (410)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 3:19 pm
I guess those enlightened fellows decided to make Britain Great again before Trump had a chance to do the same to America!

Now Scotland, too, may decide to be great again! And if it does, Britain may never be great again!

It’s kind of confusing! How come no one told us about the side effects of being great, again?

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 4:39 pm
Noted, dear Darren. Will forward to my British friends.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 4:53 pm
Cheers Folks!

Sharing that petition periodically over social media: 2,674,791 signatures

Mandi T (367)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 4:58 pm
2,678,420 signatures

MmAway M (519)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:00 pm
2,678,621 signatures

Still trying to sign and thank you Evelyn for the heads up!

This is way important....I'll figure out a way Darren!

Derek R (192)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:04 pm
I certainly will NOT sign this petition, it stinks of bad losers. Accept the will of the majority vote. Ggrrr.

Rose Becke (141)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 5:27 pm
Wish I could sign dont have a postcode

Kathryn M (108)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 8:50 pm

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 10:35 pm
Now 2,794,574 signatures ...

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday June 25, 2016, 11:57 pm
Now 2,838,832 signatures

Still being shared.

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 1:44 am
IF that vote really represented a true majority, the petition would not apply - because it calls for a control that would require the voice to represent at least 45% of all eligible voters. Which still wouldn't be a clear majority of UK citizens.

But the REALITY is - the results of last Thursday DO NOT represent a majority of UK eligible voters (let alone a majority of adult UK citizens, since there are many UK citizens living in Europe - under the legal right to free moment - who have not been allowed to express their opinion)

And the implications are huge - largely underestimated, especially due to lies & twisted information spread by Brexit leaders.

(I'd remind you that Farage, anticipating a narrow loss rather than a narrow gain, was already indicating in May that he'd call for a second referendum ... on this justification!)

Sam H (410)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 4:55 am
4 last-ditch efforts that could stop the Brexit

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 5:10 am
Derek Richardson, and others who actually accept this nonsense, understand that some of my family are right-wing racism, fascist, British Empire defenders. They're also entitled to their opinion and view, despite being fed the lies by the mainstream Press/Media machine.

I am not so easily led.

3,184,934 signatures an counting.

Marija Mohoric (25)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 6:14 am
Thank you Darren

Angelika R (143)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 7:18 am
"think the EU wants this separation.......quicker than the UK" -You got that right Ros!
EP president Martin Schulz even demands their exit application papers by TUESDAY 's summit!
(for German readers > )

Read also : -that's what the Juncker Joker says..

As usual, they don't give a rat's *** about any legal they also didn't for their wars participation in the ME!

Angelika R (143)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 7:25 am
You may also want to pay attention to TODAY's SPAIN ELECTIONS! ;-)

Marcel Elschot (345)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 8:06 am
yes if only the brittains signed lol
and not with hacker scripts

Hugh Smith (112)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 8:18 am
Signed and shared

Heather B (47)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 8:44 am
Thanks Darren x

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 9:11 am
Apparently they have removed about 77,000 signatures as "invalid" - but that still leaves 3,301,519 signatures right now ...

One of those tweets was from someone already anti the petition - inaccurate & misleading.
The second is interesting (valid link to country/constituency breakdown)
&Angie's - interesting, sensible.

Naomi D (43)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 11:22 am

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 11:40 am
By the way, for the record ...
This petition was actually created by a Brexiter last May, & is totally in line with statements by Farage concerning a 52:48 result at that time.
(Both the petition creator & Farage were expecting a Remain lead)
Makes gripes about "poor losers" rather ... ironic, no??!!!

Angelika R (143)
Sunday June 26, 2016, 12:07 pm
The usual story, people NOT READING what's in the link to the post!

Jonathan Harper (0)
Monday June 27, 2016, 4:45 am

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 27, 2016, 6:20 am
Ros, there was a slowdown (briefly) yesterday - but I reckon the speed of new signatures was such that they rapidly offset removals!
3,714,070 signatures right now - rising more slowly - but changing colours on the map suggest that word is spreading more around the country (or maybe people use their office computers?!) The slowdown could be because of on-going careful verification of signatures - with some knocked out but countered by new signatures.

I reckon that there'll need to be close to 8 million signatures for this to have an impact.

And there are various other factors:
* The "Brexiter" leaders are now backing down on promises, and wanting to delay actual action on the results ... Boris "Rughead" is even coming out with statements about how important the EU/Europe are for the UK!!!
* The referendum per se is not law, only advisory - Parliament has to agree & pass a decision requesting for Article 50 to be activated.
* Cameron's half resignation creates a vacuum while he's there but resigned (effective October);
* Cameron's promises are beyond his mandate, requiring Parliament to agree to comply;
* It is unclear whether the Brexit win & Cameron's resignation means that a General Election will have to take place - in which case, could the current Parliament request activation? - and would they? (they'll lose votes either way, with the polarisation & current hostile climate, and maybe the enormity of what is happening is causing more than the Brexit leaders to want to delay action - at least until they understand better exactly what IS entailed);

Meanwhile :
§ The EU is rushing to plan for an EU without the UK
§ Globally, the results of the referendum have triggered a crisis worldwide

When one hears interviews with some who voted Brexit never thinking there'd actually be a majority of votes, it is quite frightening! (And even with those, it is the vote of under 37% of all eligible voters.)
But it took one man with a gun to trigger WW1

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 27, 2016, 6:24 am
("Slowdown" is a relative term! There were "only" about 9,000 new signatures while I was writing my last comment!!! Yesterday was much, much faster!)

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 27, 2016, 6:26 am
And apparently a legal expert on the BBC just said that the petition will count for something in Westminster if it swells to over 10 million...

Evelyn B (63)
Monday June 27, 2016, 6:29 am
A live feed to the signature count:

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday June 27, 2016, 12:33 pm
Brilliant, that, thanks Evelyn.

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 12:15 pm
Cameron won the general election in 2015 with 36.9% of the vote ...

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 12:21 pm
Darren, it's democracy. Brexit won, Remain lost.

Cameron should never have held the vote. But he did. And the people gave their verdict.
It has to be accepted and respected.

I suspect fears of the wheels coming off will FINALLY get the EU to act on reform and then, who knows ....

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday June 28, 2016, 12:25 pm
The Australian poster had a point about tariffs. Protectionism hurts the economies of non-EU countries.
I'm all for free trade.

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 3:05 am
From the Petition Site - new notice:

The Committee has decided to defer its decision on this petition until the Government Digital Service has done all it can to verify the signatures on the petition. We have already had to remove 77,000 fraudulent signatures. The Committee wishes to make clear that, although it may choose to schedule a debate on this petition in due course, it only has the power to schedule debates in Westminster Hall – the second debating chamber of the House of Commons. Debates in Westminster Hall do not have the power to change the law, and could not trigger a second referendum.

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 3:11 am
John - Well, this referendum (which is supposed to be advisory) has gone a long way to ensure that the UK has no voice, no influence, & dubious chances of getting back on board.

I hope that the electric shock WILL move the EU forward in reforms; at least a little benefit might come out of it (not that this was UKIP/Farage/Johnson's intention - they were only interested in promoting their own power & influence. But as the general public comes to realise the hole dug for them, the whole thing may well backlash on the leaders ... who deserve that

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 3:18 am
Another petition for signing
Parliamentary Debate On Decision To Ratify Article 50

"o: The House of Commons

We, the undersigned, call on the Prime Minister, the Government and MPs from all sides to put before parliament and full and frank debate on the decision whether or not to invoke Article 50 and the decision be that of Parliament, not solely the Prime Minister, taking into account the result of the recent referendum but not being bound by it.
Why is this important?

The recent referendum produced a narrow victory for the Leave Campaign. While the media and some politicians would have you believe this is the end of the story and a decisive victory, it is not.
In order to leave the EU the Prime Minister must invoke Article 50. He has the power to refuse to do so and Parliament have the power to instruct him not to.
Given that the result of the referendum was split roughly down the middle, with many on both sides casting their votes based on numerous lies, false promises and scare tactics on both sides, we feel the matter requires further consideration from Parliament rather than being declared over.
The referendum has not legally bound Parliament to any action. It was a means to gauge public opinion and the public has declared themselves largely split on the matter.
Such huge constitutional change should not be brought into force by a simple majority alone. It should require in excess of 60% to be considered conclusive.
We feel the matter should be referred to Parliament as a whole for a final decision. We do not express that Parliament should vote one way or the other, rather that that be a matter down to individual MPs after consulting with their constituents. We only desire that this full debate take place before any final decision is declared."

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 3:26 am
Can the United Kingdom government legally disregard a vote for Brexit?

"What follows any referendum vote next week for the United Kingdom to leave the EU? From a legal perspective, the immediate consequence is simple: nothing will happen.

The relevant legislation did not provide for the referendum result to have any formal trigger effect. The referendum is advisory rather than mandatory. The 2011 referendum on electoral reform did have an obligation on the government to legislate in the event of a “yes” vote (the vote was “no” so this did not matter). But no such provision was included in the EU referendum legislation.

What happens next in the event of a vote to leave is therefore a matter of politics not law. It will come down to what is politically expedient and practicable. The UK government could seek to ignore such a vote; to explain it away and characterise it in terms that it has no credibility or binding effect (low turnout may be such an excuse). Or they could say it is now a matter for parliament, and then endeavour to win the parliamentary vote. Or ministers could try to re-negotiate another deal and put that to another referendum. There is, after all, a tradition of EU member states repeating referendums on EU-related matters until voters eventually vote the “right” way.

What matters in law is when and whether the government invokes Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This is the significant “red button”. Once the Article 50 process is commenced then Brexit does become a matter of law, and quite an urgent one. It would appear this process is (and is intended to be) irreversible and irrevocable once it starts. But invoking Article 50 is a legally distinct step from the referendum result — it is not an obligation."
(There's more ...)

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 3:55 am
Just wondering, John - does your insistence & approval of declaration that the "Leave" vote represents "the British people" extend to acceptance that the voters for leave are represented (loudly) by those expressing overt and violent racism?
(I know you'd say "no" if this included -real- anti-Semitism, aggression towards Jews & Israelis, but at present they don't appear to be targeted ... I hope that this continues to be the case ... but since the targets are colour, race other than Jewish, language ... and this appears to be the overt face of those voting "Leave" )
I can only feel desperately sad at what this whole political exercise has released in the UK. And I do NOT believe that it represents a reasoned, informed opinion by the majority of Brits.

Sam H (410)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 5:38 am
And that’s the way the story goes!

John De Avalon (36)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 6:25 am
Not sure what your point is, Evelyn????? Brexit got more votes than Remain. That's how it works!
In the last election, the Conservatives won. Was I happy? No, I was as sick as a dog! but I didn't call for a re-run or call for my county to declare independence!!!!
This sort of petulant behaviour belongs in the school playground! Though on reflection it doesn't belong there either!

And racism? Post referendum we've had a few 'Poles out' sort of thing. This is the trouble with social media and global news, it blows things totally out of proportion. The morons doing that are only a tiny handful, literally, they certainly don't represent the views or actions of 99.9999% of British citizens.

And on reflection, I don't believe British concerns over loss of sovereignty, open borders etc. is unique to us. We have a thriving economy and a universal language so these issues have arisen here first, but the same things will happen elsewhere in the EU in time.

And racism? The bulk of the newcomers are white Christians.
It's local people competing - and very often losing out - with newcomers for scarce jobs and social housing; newcomers overloading already overstretched and underfunded healthcare and education systems. Such things cause antagonism.

Another British 'thing' is we joined a free trade and friendship Common market - EVERY Brexiter I've spoken to was/is perfectly fine with that. We didn't sign up to a sovereignty over-ruling European super state and that's where the problem lies.

Nita L (127)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 7:04 am
Noted,signed & shared. 4,033,874 signatures Thank you Darren.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday June 29, 2016, 2:19 pm
4,051,273 signatures

Thriving economy?

Oh, BTW, John, BREXIT LEAVE was largely successful on the strength of the arguments on the phony Immigration. . so I'd like to know what your take on that is, given you appear to be "happy" with how things are since the vote took place.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 12:26 am
Looks like it, doesn't it:

John De Avalon (36)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 10:23 am
Darren: As I said Cameron should never have held the referendum. Nobody predicted the result, though we all knew few people actually liked the EU, and even pro-EU MPs were frequently complaining about this or that.

It's not a question of being "happy" as you put it. You can't go around moaning and calling for a re-run because the result didn't go your way! That's so childish and undignified.
Shall we call for the England v Iceland match to be replayed because we lost?!

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 11:27 am
Oh, so there's propaganda and lies feeding fear and hysteria in Football, John. I never knew.

All I know is that there are plenty of footballers paid WAY more than they could ever be worth for kicking a leather ball around a field of grass.

For what it's worth, I am completely indifferent to the game of football, and couldn't give a monkeys who wins. Zero patriotism in my mind.

Sam H (410)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 1:18 pm
I think it’s quite silly to compare a national vote to a football game. Making such a comparison IS what’s childish!

When Farage promised that the money that goes to the EU would be applied to health care instead, with no intention of doing so, then he committed a fraud.

In a football game, that would result in a foul or even an ejection from the game.

Why do we apply higher standards to a silly football game and accept lower ones when it comes to the wellbeing of people?

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 4:30 pm
In haste - I agree, Sam!

The impact of winning or losing a match is short term, might affect a few people's livelihood but doesn't cause total disruption to governance nor to the economy.

A referendum is NOT an election, it is an expression of opinion - "ADVISORY"
NOT legislative action.

We elect people to carry the legislative responsibility.

Why bother to elect MPs & pay them comfy salaries & benefits if someone can run around making false promises & telling lies, not even preparing alternative Plans of Action, play up fear of "others" to a pitch never seen before, then sit back while many uninformed don't even realise HOW uninformed they are - express their opinion and suddenly they have the mandate to decide what is best for the UK?

Even within the mandated legislature, there has to be a quorum & enough majority before major laws are passed ...

But this referendum made no such allowance - hence the petition. And the Brexiter who wrote it was correct - such a major decision SHOULD have a significant majority for the opinion to carry weight.

The whole thing has been abominably badly handled - and for all the wrong reasons. Polarising the country, generating aggression - John D claims it is all "media hype", but how come, then, friends & relatives report SEEING such behaviour (and being sickened that the UK could be so racist)?

And the "Great" has definitely moved away from Britain at present.

Nobody wants to take responsibility for leading the move to activate Article 50 - (except perhaps Farage? Gove ???) But they don't have the guts to stand up and say "Look at what has happened in the last week. Clearly promises were empty, lies abounded on both sides (but more - & bigger - from the Brexit camp). A tsunami hit the economy. The Bank of England had to commit more in a day than the EU has swallowed per year, just to slow the run off of investments in the UK. (And it is EUROPE who is costing the UK too much????)

The Brits look like racist idiots, incompetent and self centred. No clear plan, some crazy idea that they might be able to reap the best without paying for it ...
Farage didn't help with his KG behaviour at the Summit.

In the past, the UK has been successful in negotiating special conditions ... not just once but many times.

But that was when there was respect for the UK.
The face the UK has shown the world recently is NOT one to retain respect.
And without respect, few concessions.

And you compare the situation to A FOOTBALL MATCH????
Might have "sounded" clever for all of 2 seconds

Sam H (410)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 7:36 pm
You probably covered that already, but just in Case!

Second EU Referendum Petition Started By LEAVE VOTER William Oliver Healey

Sam H (410)
Thursday June 30, 2016, 10:09 pm
Those who want us to accept the results of the referendum lying down, probably harbor the same feelings about refugees as THIS WOMAN.

“When asked if she could kill one person, who would it be?, she responded: “I would put Angela Merkel (without any protection) in one of her camps and let her pet refugees do the rest.”

That simpleton would say, “It’s another referendum, another soccer match, another pageant. Just deal with the results with dignity.”

If only he knew the meaning of the word!

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday July 1, 2016, 12:09 am
Paul Dacre is chief in charge of the Daily Mail in Britain, which should tell you a lot about the voting preferences of the masses who read that toxic propaganda paper. Its founder, Lord Rothermere, was friend of Hitler, which should tell you a lot about the mindset of people who wish to continue the British EMPIRE.

Jan N (85)
Friday July 1, 2016, 5:48 pm
Not able to sign, but noted. Bad case of buyer's remorse on the other side of the pond. I hope a second referendum is held and they remain part of the EU. What a mess if they actually leave.

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 3:28 am
I gather that there is a tiny but significant change in wording being used by some experts & VIPs in interviews on the radio in the UK -
Some are not saying "WHEN", but "IF"

Have YOU noticed this, Darren?

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 8:06 am
I've not, no. Our mainstream Press, Media including Radio is, alas ALL right-wing, and in favor of BREXIT.

I am in a minority except for a small group of friends who are awake enough to realize BREXIT is a phony sham.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday July 2, 2016, 8:08 am
Just keep on sharing these two petitions


Petition: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum:

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 4, 2016, 5:56 am
I found it earlier on the BBC - posted
BREAKING NEWS: UKIP Leader Nigel Farage to Stand Down
(Check out the photo of him from 1983 (approx)! You might notice how little Farage's expression has changed in 30 years! Compare it with his face when effectively expressing similar respect for the European Parliament!)

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday July 4, 2016, 2:22 pm
If you read Evelyn's article, you'll see what I've written about Farage, Ros.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday July 4, 2016, 2:24 pm
I'm just wondering which Corporate Capitalist press or media relations company is going to attract him with a nice salary.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday July 4, 2016, 2:31 pm
Meanwhile, some reading to do, and petition signing or sharing if you'd like to indulge:

Nick Barber, Tom Hickman and Jeff King: Pulling the Article 50 ‘Trigger’: Parliament’s Indispensable Role

Petition EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum

Stop Article 50 from being invoked. Last and ONLY option to stop Brexit

Julia Troitskaia (52)
Tuesday July 5, 2016, 7:26 am

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday July 11, 2016, 12:32 pm
Petition EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd Referendum
4,130,754 signatures
Stop Article 50 from being invoked. Last and ONLY option to stop Brexit
48,103 supporters
1,897 needed to reach 50,000

For what it's worth, given Theresa May is due to take over as Prime Minister of the Conservative Government, she has indicated that as the BREXIT vote was in favor of LEAVE, that, even though she's pro-Europe AND was in favor of REMAIN, she IS going to execute the BREXIT LEAVE strategy as soon as she can.

Evelyn B (63)
Monday July 11, 2016, 1:09 pm
Given how many people have said they wish they'd not voted leave - did so on the basis of misinformation - I wish they'd take a firm "hold" position, while the "reality" is studied & the options over which they'll negotiate once they trigger Article 50 ... if this is really what people want. Then an "Are you sure?" check, based on FACTS ...

NOT a superficial showing of democracy, against the interests of the British people (which Parliament is supposed to ensure).
There is no more a Divine Right of the People than there is a Divine Right of Kings - especially when it appears that even the leaders don't fully grasp all the implications ...

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday July 11, 2016, 2:41 pm
Having a Divine Right of the People would be fine, IF the propaganda hadn't been so effective, within the Press/Media machine.

I've not heard a single person in favor of BREXIT give a comprehensive understanding of Immigration, for example. They've merely repeated, parrot fashion what all the mainstream press has been saying.

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 12, 2016, 10:56 pm
Interesting developments!

After an initial dismissive response to the petition - which said that petitions were only discussed in Chamber not in the House, I was surprised to receive this!

"You recently signed the petition “EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum”:

The Petitions Committee has decided to schedule a House of Commons debate on this petition. The debate will take place on 5 September at 4.30pm in Westminster Hall, the second debating chamber of the House of Commons. The debate will be opened by Ian Blackford MP.

The Committee has decided that the huge number of people signing this petition means that it should be debated by MPs. The Petitions Committee would like to make clear that, in scheduling this debate, they are not supporting the call for a second referendum. The debate will allow MPs to put forward a range of views on behalf of their constituents. At the end of the debate, a Government Minister will respond to the points raised.

A debate in Westminster Hall does not have the power to change the law, and won’t end with the House of Commons deciding whether or not to have a second referendum. Moreover, the petition – which was opened on 25 May, well before the referendum – calls for the referendum rules to be changed. It is now too late for the rules to be changed retrospectively. It will be up to the Government to decide whether it wants to start the process of agreeing a new law for a second referendum.

The Petitions Committee is a cross-party group of MPs. It is independent from Government. You can find out more about the Committee on its website:

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday July 12, 2016, 11:01 pm
At least this is less dismissive, although it still isn't reaching the House of Commons - and the date may be too late to be of any use.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 13, 2016, 2:28 am
The future probable trio of $killary-May-Merkel is the true disaster recipe... whether in or out of the EU...
5Sept isn't actually that far off but May already made it clear she's determined to leave soonest possible.
Looks like this decision by the committee is merely to keep the petitioners/signers calm..

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday July 13, 2016, 4:02 pm
So, let's continue to SHARE this petition a little more, every little helps!
4,136,952 signatures

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday July 13, 2016, 4:05 pm
I have a friend in Germany, who I've known for years and years, who says Merkel is really bad news for Germany, so I don't doubt you either Angelika.

We all know what Clinton is like.

May is an unknown. She's seen as very professional and thorough, although when she wishes to execute a plan, she makes sure she carries it out.

Sooo. . . .

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday July 13, 2016, 6:23 pm
Quite unknown she is, that's right. What I do know about her since today, is, she apparently likes to present herself with a YUUUGE décolleté, half her breasts showing.. and that on her very first day in front of No.10....ummm ? :-)

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday July 13, 2016, 11:54 pm
So, what are the Press/Media going to concentrate on, and divert an easily divertable public's attention. . . ?

Angelika R (143)
Thursday July 14, 2016, 2:39 am
Haven't checked yours, but our media is concentrating on her awkward choice of foreign minister, of course!
Speaks volumes. Here talk is already of many businesses withdrawing from UK and that will be mainly those in financial business-where it hurts most..

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday July 14, 2016, 9:02 am
As you say, Darren - the more signatures the better!
There's a FB community aiming to mobilise 16 Million Voices or more ...

There's also another (Change) petition Stop Article 50 From Being Invoked. Last and ONLY Option to Stop Brexit

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday July 15, 2016, 12:10 am
Yes, Rughead Johnson is getting attention I doubt he's actually prepared for.
The bodily reaction to his appointment from some leaders has been amusing.

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1,341 needed to reach 50,000

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