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Wetiko: Energy, Domination and Human Societies

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Yusuf I (105)
Friday July 29, 2016, 12:54 am
Thanks Darren, very interesting. I like the butterfly analogy.
Hope you have a nice weekend and week ahead

Arild Warud (174)
Friday July 29, 2016, 2:09 am
TY Darren.

Animae C (509)
Friday July 29, 2016, 2:13 am
EVERYTHING is impermanent, unsatisfactory & not-self.
Learn to comfortably accept & live with that & you've GOT IT.

Christeen A (300)
Friday July 29, 2016, 2:41 am
Good post. Thanks for this share.

Past Member (0)
Friday July 29, 2016, 3:19 am
May our metamorphosis transform us into that which no longer includes the echo of evil. Thank you Darren.

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Friday July 29, 2016, 3:50 am
TY, Darren, shared on social media.

Stella G (403)
Friday July 29, 2016, 5:27 am
Buon post. Grazie Darren per condividere.

Terrie Williams (798)
Friday July 29, 2016, 8:30 am
Thanks so much, Darren. Good read. What Animae said!!!!!!

Barbara P (177)
Friday July 29, 2016, 8:50 am
It was very interesting in your post! Thank you very much, Darren!

Julie E (396)
Friday July 29, 2016, 10:18 am
Thank you Darren.

Joanne Dixon (37)
Friday July 29, 2016, 10:40 am
I submitted a proposal for the exhibit very early on. I did not expect it to be accepted (too small for one thing) and indeed it wasn't; the rejection was courteous and took enough time to arrive that it appeared to have been at least considered. This is a superb initiative and I'm proud to have been one of the first to hear about it.

Gloria picchetti (304)
Friday July 29, 2016, 8:28 pm
Interesting but over my head.

Freya H (345)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 5:09 am
A very interesting article, which I bookmarked for a future second read. It made me think about how we need to learn how to be happier with less. We don't really need a lot of the crap that we own. My uncle has a rule that you don't bring anything into the house unless you first move something out. I have gone through my things and found a lot that I don't need, and donated it or sold (or tried to sell) it on sites like MoveLoot and OfferUp. Someday I hope to live in a micro-house. Unless we all stop consuming so much, we will consume ourselves to the point where we will be fighting like pit bulls over scarcer and scarcer resources.

Michela M (3964)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 6:12 am

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 6:28 am
I had clicked this earlier to give it legs but couldn't come back until now to comment. Busy week....

But delighted you have placed some "native or indigenous" thinking onto the C2 news. I can understand where it might be over some people's heads, after all the Dominant Culture from cradle to grave has been trained to think in a certain manner - it takes some undoing to become, as I like to use Native American Activist Russell Means term - being reborn a primitive again. As he said, a very FREEING concept within oneself.

We cannot understand the myriad possibilities for what manner of butterflies we may become if we are tethered too tightly to our old caterpillar ways of thinking and being.

This is another lesson taught by many Native Nations in North America, I'm sure elsewhere with those of indigenous cultures, as when I watch those in the rainforest in South America doing certain things or I am reading about the original inhabitants of Australia, I can relate so much to them or understand what they are doing; whereas those who have been removed from these teachings have no idea.

However to get back to being too tethered to the caterpillar the teaching is when the water of the river is rushing along do not cling to the side of the embankment for you will drown, it is better to let go and ride along just trying to keep one's head above the water or remember that saying "go with the flow?" Good wisdom was reaching into the children of the sixties.

That is why they fought our generation so hard, because the indigenous teachings were touching the heart of the children of Dominant culture. My goodness can't make them into good little consumers if they are a counter culture and learning the teachings of the indigenous. AIM (American Indian Movement) had to be squashed, the flower children and hippie types had to be put in their place and remold them into happy to consume even if it meant throwing pills at them (Rolling Stones sang a song about that), and those uppity minorities who in cheap labor kept the system machine running had to be removed from society so create a Prison system that grew and grew. (speaking of USA)

Getting the picture now?

I can't wait for the butterfly stage............I may not be on my Earth Walk to see it, but I've already become a reborn Primitive so I'm Walking Freely already.

Thanks Darren excellent article.

Phil P (94)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 7:02 am
Thanks Darren for posting and Freya for forwarding this to me.

Patrick Donovan (344)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 7:46 am
What Phil said: "Thanks Darren for posting and Freya for forwarding this to me."

Cheryl Aaron (18)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 7:52 am
This is a wonderful article/education. It's quite insightful and reiterates much of what I learned from my grandmother who was part Chippewa. We are indeed in this "war" together regardless of how we got here. We are now sharing the outcomes...peace.

Birgit W (160)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 8:21 am
Thanks for sharing Darren. Thanks Freya.

Winn Adams (179)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 8:56 am
Thanks for the information Freya and Darren. It gives us a lot to think about.

M B (62)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 9:42 am
(quote): 'trying to be happy by accumulating possessions is like trying to satisfy hunger by taping sandwiches all over your body'.
Great article!
TY Darren

Pat B (356)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 10:26 am
Thank you, Darren for this interesting post, and Freya for FW.

Sara G (104)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 11:29 am
Thank you Darren for posting and Freya for forwarding! I know nothing of Quantum Physics, but have read of an experiment in the field that would tend to validate this. It also reminds me of something a very wise old woman once said to me - "The world is the way we think it is because we think it is."

Hugh Smith (112)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 11:59 am
Shared on all media sites

Charmaine Shannon (38)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 12:00 pm
Thank-You for a Most Interesting Article and some Very Worth wild Comments!! I was Raised by an Old Timer who was a Foreigner[ 2nd Generation] so as you may know EVERYTHING was Saved and all had a Purpose for a later date!! This being said I still find myself following these Teachings but have also Learned that this is Impossible ...... Now I only have what's necessary but absolutely Waste Nothing ..... ALL is given to Charity, the animals get feed daily and I mean all of them along with the wild animals in the woods and the Birds at the Ponds ...... This is how my family gets exercise and entertainment in all seasons !! The "RULE" in my House is ...... We through away "NOTHING" that can be used or ate even Scrapes and we find a place to take them for use !!!! I see People throwing out Everything to the Garbage and my Heart Breaks for the Less Fortunate whether it be Human or Animal !!!!
Thank-You My New Friend, Freya for the FWD !!

Heidi Walderra (153)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 12:02 pm
Thank you Darren.

Mandi T (367)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 12:35 pm
Tks for posting Darren

margaret cochran (41)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 1:17 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 1:26 pm
Thanks for posting, Darren.
Yes, very interesting and thoughtful article. And, I must say that I think many of us within the masses do our best not to be wasteful. From the comments I read here at Care2 a great many of us are already fighting those who are materialistic and consumer-driven.
It is the wealthiest 1% that take the most advantage of this broken system; and I don't know what it will take before they "come around to our way of thinking."

As Dandelion mentioned in her comment regarding the movements of the 60's being squashed.....I think that so many were 'burned' by the system that they just became either depressed or ambivalent. And, when you have used so much time and energy in protesting what is wrong, only to find that you've hit a brick wall, there are some who 'found the money on the other side' and joined the Establishment. Unfortunately. But, I still have hope.

Angelika R (143)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 2:54 pm
A truly briliant article, thank you Darren! We've known this for a long time and that was the very reason for the movement early on who fought the globalisation. In order to NOT end up in the wetikonomy.
Apparently that fight was also too little too late.

Sheila D (194)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 3:15 pm
I grew up in a consumer raised with money, but dad, oldest of 13,learned to make do. Dad, however, indulged in many ways, but still saving nuts and bolts, etc for possible need future need. Myself, I've learned the stock up method when it comes to groceries because MN winters are cold and I hate to walk to store then. Never had a driver's license because the cost was not something I was willing to pay. I find that in some things I am a consumer, but in other things I not so much. Have lost almost everything once and I think that has affected how I buy...I reuse, recycle, but also give much away. If I haven't used something in over a year, except for my fabric and yarn, it gets donated where it will be of use to someone. I recently cleaned out my closet and found two tops that I'd never worn, the tags still on them...they went to the thrift store. That made me realize how much of a consumer I had become. Scary.

One son is a minimalist and married a lady who's also the same. My youngest, however, married a consumer, a young lady who apologized because their sofa was from Ikea, not some fancy furniture store. The sad thing is that their children are now consumers...big time, because that's how they're being raised.

Thank you Darren for the interesting article and Thanx to Freya for the forward.

Rose Becke (141)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 5:15 pm
So true Freya thanks Darren

Beryl L (78)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 7:02 pm
Very interesting.
The way it is is the way it is because we think it is. Thank you Sara. Its a good analogy it was pounded into my head all my life but never made it through this thick skull. I follow my own path and where it leads me is not the destination of the masses, but almost an outcast. I am very satisfied and enjoy what we have of our aboriginal nature.
I never fit the mold. Always been different. Never really understood society.
I am a loner but am not alone.

Thanks for Sending the link, Darren. Best article I have read in a good while.

Roslyn McBride (26)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 7:38 pm
Extremely interesting, & well-worth reading, thanks to both Freya & Darren.

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 9:23 pm

Good article. It sites Paul Levy!...Levy has done much work with Wetiko, close to a decade.

Wetiko reminded me some of Don Juan's Predator Mind: "....This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico ...Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradictions between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behaviour......They gave us their mind!...which becomes our mind."

When confronting Wetiko, Jujitsu not karate, is most useful.


Shirley S (187)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 9:28 pm
Interesting & thought provoking. T Y Darren. I must state that nowadays I treasure relationships well over & above possessions.

Colleen L (3)
Saturday July 30, 2016, 10:41 pm
Interesting article. Thanks Darren

Julie W (33)
Sunday July 31, 2016, 12:13 am
Darren, this is the message that has been on the bottom of my emails for a while now.

"To move forward, sometimes you first have to take a step back. Perhaps things are falling apart, so that we can put them back together in ways we've never dreamed of."


Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday July 31, 2016, 12:53 am
A consistent common thread that appears subtly here, is that we all have to bare responsibility and work to maintain what is genuine, integral to a quality of life, and not let it slip away.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 31, 2016, 5:35 am
Peace, please

Janet B (0)
Sunday July 31, 2016, 12:35 pm

Mary Jane R (35)
Sunday July 31, 2016, 1:27 pm
Quite interesting... and in a way obvious... unfortunately not for those who needed to read about it badly! Those who are actualy intrinsically sad as they keep looking for something non-stop and truly believe that they will get whatever they want through money. For them, "having" is the key. Lots of attention for wanting; little for needing. They don't realize that our needs are very few whilst our wants are huge!
Siddharta Gautama (the Buddha) said that the reason for all the pain in the world is greed! So right he was; so right he still is; so silly are those who keep believing that "having" will make them happy!

Edith B (146)
Sunday July 31, 2016, 9:01 pm
Thanks, Darren, for introducing me to a new concept, and thanks Freya for sending it to me. Greed seems to be the driving force today, sadly.

Alan Lambert (91)
Monday August 1, 2016, 2:38 am

Leslie Stanick (102)
Monday August 1, 2016, 1:26 pm
Our cultures of consumption need to slow down and honour the web of life and respect every thread as sacred.

Winn Adams (179)
Monday August 1, 2016, 2:18 pm
Thanks Darren.

Patricia N (9)
Monday August 1, 2016, 2:58 pm
The world seems to be in transition but I'm afraid all of us here may be dead before it finally happens. I thought things would change back in late 1960's with the hippies but went completely opposite by late 70's and early 80's. I hope the world wakes up for some of you younger people here so keep plugging. Long and great article which I have bookmarked to digest more at a later time and also that great website. Thanks for posting and for wonderful Care1 peoples response.

Janet B (0)
Monday August 1, 2016, 3:17 pm

Maryann S (112)
Monday August 1, 2016, 4:12 pm
Great article, thanks Darren.

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 4, 2016, 5:27 am
Thank you Darren & Freya. From what I can see, the happiest people have fought against this culture and are minimalists, or at least don't over consume. Those who go with the program (Get a raise... buy a new car, get a big raise... buy a larger house, etc.) end up with plenty of income yet still scraping by and stressing. You also see it on display with celebrities who have ginormous paychecks yet still manage to go bankrupt. Well I'm pretty sure that's no fun! Not to mention the opportunities missed to do positive things with those people's "extra" money and the resources squandered in acquiring unnecessary stuff. Great article!

Mitchell D (82)
Thursday August 4, 2016, 5:38 pm
Very interesting, and new to me, in this context, thanks Darren and Freya.
I can quibble with some of the points made, but overall it seems quite point on:
The Romans did not spread Christianity; Genesis is in the Old Testament; the discovery of settled agriculture was not initiated,or "meant" to dominate anything. It replaced the hand to mouth hunter-gatherer lifestyle. this allowed for an increase in population, which then did form the need for "more," in order to simply sustain itself; This was not an "unnatural" situation, but a new one. The ability to then sustain a larger population paved the way for artisans, who could be fed by the larger group. Unfortunately, it also paved the way for a class society, with some people being more equal than others.
I do agree with the description of "Neoclassical Capitalism." Rocco's need for "MORE, YEAH ,THAT'S WHAT I WANT, MORE!" as in the movie "Key Largo," is one of the descriptors I use to point out what I can now call Wetiko!

Darlene W (289)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 7:36 am
Thank you Darren for sharing.

Leo Custer (312)
Friday August 19, 2016, 7:37 am
Thank you for the info!

Angela K (374)
Tuesday August 23, 2016, 4:39 am
Thanks for sharing this great article Darren

Tania N (883)
Wednesday October 19, 2016, 4:30 am
thanks for sharing
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