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Trudi
- 4017 days ago - northerntasmania.yourguide.com.au
A Sydney exhibition:A film showing a live chicken being decapitated- A preserved dead horsehung by a saddle from the museum's ceiling. Please,send an email to the Biennale of Sydney,and tell them what you think about this:art@biennaleofsydney.com.au



   

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Trudi Reijnders (242)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 1:56 am
Please,send an email to the Biennale of Sydney,and tell them what you think about this:art@biennaleofsydney.com.au
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:05 am
This not art!!!!!!!!

Too bad the horse could not string up the disturbed artist the same way, perhaps by the neck!!!!!!!

"To live a creative life, we must lose
our fear of being wrong."
—Joseph Chilton Pearce

P.S. This artist has forgotten what right is....

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.......
 

Hans L (958)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:26 am
Dear Trudy!
Thanks for posting this! This is Art in the eyes of the Bienale they are complete idiots and dont react to anything like we have seen before!
You know i am the leader of the lazybones in endless Coma here on Care2!
Can we have a prefab e mail or petition?
I am sure that some Australian aninmal friends came up with a petitions or a website where we can just sign and send! Are you sure that this is real?
I have allready written a mail without checking it...BIENALE GEHT mir echt auf den Wecker! They kill the Bienale this way...make sure they know that!

 

Jim Phillips (3247)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:31 am
This is not Art, plain and simple.

TY, Trudi.

 

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:31 am
Noted and message sent
And no, I wasn't nice in my letter because I'm so sick of these little shops of horror. They are nothing but sick ----- and I can't believe people are calling it art instead of institutionalizing them.
Thank you Trudi
 

Hans L (958)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:41 am
Dear Kathy! You naughty girl ! I have had it with this entire Bienale shit!
Jim is right THIS IS NOT ART plain and simple so what the hell do they think they can expose as art?
My short message was also a piece of art! They can go you know what!
Being nice is useles they need thousands and thousands of mails until they give up and stop this!
 

LL A (33)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:50 am
Noted Trudi, and email ON ITS WAY!!!!

It's disgusting that someone can say, 'this is art' and get away with it.
HANGING A DEAD, ALBEIT PERSERVED, HORSE FROM THE CEILING OF AN ART GALLERY, DO NOT MAKE IT ART. IT MAKES IT DESENSITIZED MORBIDITY. IT MAKES THE MUSEUM HEADS LOOK LIKE THEY NO LONGER RECOGNIZE WHAT ART TRULY IS.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:57 am
I think no reply or any comment needed!!
This reminded me on that exhibition where dog was starved to death while spectators were watching him commenting "deep message" "artist" was sebding with it!
"Artist" might be idiot, but who alows such things are criminals! Together with visitors! For watching suffering and doing nothing is crime!
 

Elaine S (31)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:59 am
The People that do this are SICK and DISGUSTING!
Grrrrrrrr!
 

Brenda H (29)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:12 am
OMG--ANOTHER FREAKIN VARGAS!!! WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!! I MOST ASSURDELY SENT EMAIL--THANKS MY FRIEND!
 

Marena Chen (200)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:16 am
The "Artist" Management and Visitors should all be pelted with Horse apples. What a bunch of brainless/heartless wonders.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:59 am


YOUR EXHIBIT OF DEAD AND SUFFERING ANIMALS INSULTS THE INTEGRITY OF HUMANITY IT IS FRAUGHT WITH SADISM AND SERVES NO OTHER PURPOSE BUT TO TITILLATE AN ALREADY DEBASED PALATE AMONGST PERVERSE MINDS. YOU HAVE ABUSED YOUR POSITIONS . YOU HAVE SHOWN YOURSELVES TO BE WITHOUT EMPATHY OR TASTE. WITHOUT ELEGANCE OR EVEN BASIC EMPATHY
FRANKLY YOUR EXHIBIT IS AN INSULT TO HUMANITY AND CERTAINLY GRIEVOUSLY LACKING IN DIGNITY
SOPHIA DALLE
NYC
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:01 am
ok that is what i sent i am also contacting wpsa
if anyone has anymore followup pleasepost i would like to slap their faces across sydney
 

Bronwyn H (228)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:36 am
Noted with disgust. For too long some artists have portrayed and exhibited works that are shameful; they continue to do so because the organizers of the Exhibitions such as this, appear to live in the same weird world, and know the publicity will bring in the visitors. My email has been sent to Marah Braye - CEO of the Biennale in Sydney.
 

LL A (33)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:40 am
AGREED!!!! Cebelical,

Where on earth was that exhibit allowed to even happen?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:53 am
Why don't somebody try to hang the artist like that for couple of hours and then ask him if it is art????
 

Debbie L (180)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:01 am
OMG!! What the heck ois wrong with people???Why would anyone opay money to support this freak? This is not art!! This is a twisted individual who gets away with his little shop of horses and the attrocities he perpetrates by calling it ART!!!! I agree... Another Vargas in the making he just hasn't had to guts to display how he got his end results yet, given time he probably would do exactly what Vargas did and possibly worse.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:11 am
people pay because they have a covert lust for decadence and a re secretly perversly sadistic . and that is the truth and that reflects a very sick society.the organizers knew exactly what they were doing and played off it to make money from the pathetically perverse tatstes
 

Ria S (13)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:16 am
Disgusting, this world is getting sicker by the day.
Noted, crossposted and will send a letter.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:17 am
This is gruesome. What in the world is wrong with these people? Art? They call this art? I call it animal cruelty at its worst.
 

Linda M (40)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:24 am
Isn't there enough 'real' pain and suffering in the world without creating it or recreating it in the name of 'art'. Thsi is disgusting. E-mail sent.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:25 am
SENT A LETTRE TO WSPA
SENT ANOTHER LETTRE TO THE BIENNALE
AND THIS IS MORE CONTACT INFO
Biennale of Sydney
43-51 Cowper Wharf Road
Woolloomooloo NSW 2011 Australia
Telephone: + (61) 2 9368 1411
Facsimile: + (61) 2 9368 1617
Email: art@biennaleofsydney.com.au


 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:26 am
You know what, I can't imagine humans going to see something as torturous as this is to this beautiful horse! How can anyone in their right mind {and that is the key} think that this could be art?

Also, how the hell is this being allowed to happen? Who is in charge of this insane display of heartless cruelty to an animal? Are they nuts too?

I will definately note, write a letter also and make sure they know that people are pulling for this animal, not to be "used" as an "artform". How disgusted some sub humans make me feel inside, all for the love of money...greed.

Thanks Trudi, your great hon...and thanks for the forward Charles, my sweet friend.

Geez, this sure needs to be addressed, I will contact some other agencies I know about this one! I am sick to my stomach, poor baby horse! The photo alone depicts nothing but horror & fear for this beauty! Some sub humans are the lowest form of scum that crawls on the Earth...

I will say many blessings that something be done right away..
Blessings to you all for caring, much love & respect to all.
FreeSpiritRunning...
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:28 am
FREE SPIRIT PLEASE POST OTHER CONTACTS ON THIS
 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:32 am
Okay, Sophia..I must look into it hon, but definately will post contacts, thanks.

I had a thought, maybe we should string up the artist who did this and call it art? I wonder how he would like it?...oh that's right, he would be dead, now wouldn't he?

Sorry, I am infuriated! I do not usually stoop to their level, but this is just plain insane!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:35 am
All what we do or say-talk about us!
So, this is not only an act of individual, who call him an "artist"/comercial (and am pretty sure he was aware of reaction, but expecting good results from negative advertisement!) it says so much ore..
Says that this world whole became so sick, and that nothing is secret, though we all claim for ethic values..
Otherwise, this would have never happened at all!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:36 am
well do, thanks trudi
this is heart breaking
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:57 am
I too am getting an e mail out. This is disturbing and I am sick of people that think this is art. It is cruel and what kind of people come to look at that abuse? Sick humans..again..Thank you Trudi and Bruce for the e mail...noted
 

Pam F (221)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:22 am
Email sent - thank you Trudi!
The Biennale appears to be descending ever deeper into the depths of absurdity and squalor simply for the sake of stirring up controversy and publicity - I'm sure if they could get away with publicly starving a dog to death in Sydney - they wouldn't hesitate for a moment!

 

Cory Ferguson (110)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:32 am
Noted and message sent. When will these 'so called' artists learn that the general public is disgusted by this type of stuff.
 

Hans L (958)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:33 am
Pam i agree i guess they would do everything to make money because that is what they are trying to do with this animal art.....we should all together flood the mail box of the management and make any communication impossible no petiton direct action....i think that i will not receive a reply but i am sure that i will send her my art mail over and over again until i read that they stop this...
Maybe we should create a send dead animals to all the biennales in this world lets show them how cruel people can be i am sure the bitch will think again before she accepts ART like this!
 

Nancy B (88)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:35 am
This is just SICK ! The ones who call this art & the ones who want to see it are not human but HEARTLESS MONSTERS ~ I would like to see the same thing done to ALL of THEM !
 

Annie J (205)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:37 am
this is sickening, how deranged people can be!!!
Email on its ways, thanks Trudi
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:38 am
lIKE THAT STARVING DOG USED BY AN "ARTIST" THIS IS SICK,AND SHOULD BE FORBIDDEN,WILL SEND EMAIL(S)
THANKS TRUDI
 

Patti R (211)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:38 am
Tragic..noted with anger. Thanx Trudi...Letter sent below.
Biennale of Sydney
A hanging dead horse is NOT ART. It is bizzare and sick. Your exhibitions and promotion of suffering-dying and dead animals by self proclaimed artists contributes NOTHING to a normal society. What it does is demonstrate sick depraved and repulsive behavior with a display of total disregard for judgment and reasoning....actually lacking any sense of class or sophistication.
TIME FOR A REALITY CHECK!
Careful one of them may hang your dead corpse from the ceiling for the next showing. Or perhaps tie you up alive with out food and water, collect money at the door so all viewers do nothing to help you and enjoy themselves while they watch you suffer and die.

Patti Ross
USA

 

Cher C (1424)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:42 am


Disgusting!!

Email sent!!

Thnx Trudi!!
 

Sonja Rowland (55)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:45 am
Art is supposed to depict life.
Well, if this what the life of Mr Parr looks like, get me as far away from it as possible.
 

Kathryn W (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:50 am
PEOPLE make me SICK. Indeed I have no problem voicing my feelings over such a deplorable scene. Where is the respect?
The artist, like many I know is in serious need of professional help.
 

Elena P (549)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:53 am
Absolutely NOT! Emails will be sent for sure!
 

Ani Kaspar (371)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:57 am
Simply beyond sad and a shame....great illness of soul I fear. Blissings, Ani
 

Kathleen Irwin (28)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:11 am
This is debased and disgusting. Any "person" who participates in these acts of pure wanton vile voyeurism, whether it be by staging the exhibition, the "artist"(although I can think of better descriptions), or the viewers who go to ogle - each one of them is as guilty as the other.
 

Joycey B (750)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:13 am
I sent a real good e-mail to this scum of the earth. How they sicken me. Noted with extreme anger. Thanks Trudi.
 

Ginger S (115)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:19 am
SICK BASTARDS!
 

Black Cat (103)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:34 am
I AGREE THIS IS SICK.THIS IS NOT ART.WHAT WILL BE NEXT?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:40 am
Sample letter~ As usual, use as is or edit as you see fit!
art@biennaleofsydney.com.au

I am writing in utter outrage and disgust that Biennale organizers approve of sadistic, disturbing displays of torture and disregard for life as a form of art.
Videos of self mutilation, a film of a chicken being decapitated and also currently on display, a preserved dead horse hung by a saddle from the museum's ceiling! This is by no means art, it is sadism and an insult to all true artists.
I strongly suggest that each and every Biennale organizer undergo psychiatric evaluation along with the criminally minded "Artists" who have created these displays. You are all a danger to society!
Will the next Biennale "significant contribution to contemporary art" be a video of murdering children!
The Biennale is nothing more than a gathering of perverse, inhumane sadists, who hide behind the title "Artist"
Any self respecting person who has the slightest morals and ethics, whether an artist or the general public, will surely be disgusted and outraged by what the Biennale deems as art.
Any respect the art community may have had for the Biennale, I am sure you will find, has now been replaced by repulsion and outrage.
May the protest of many soon close down your museum of sadism and atrocities, and may you all seek the psychiatric help you so desperately need!

Sincerely
Mrs. M. Santos
 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:48 am
To all concerned,

We want this display of inhumanity stopped this moment! I, and many others out here in this world feel that this is not artform, to hang a poor dead horse and call it art?
{in here I posted the photo of the horse that is pictured here,i sent it to them}
This is at your Arts Festival on Cockatoo Island in Sydney, you must know what one I mean. And never mind the warning sign, take it down, and take down the poor dead horse, so no one will see it, who the hell would want to see that kind of stuff anyway, only crazy people!

It is also happening to chickens, they are decapitating them in live in front of people, isn't that insane? How will your country look?

Who is allowing this to happen? Are you all nuts in Australia? Do you not have compassion for an animal? How about the visitors, how do you think they will take this?

I am not taking this lightly, I will be a voice for the voiceless, and ask that this display of horror be stopped immediately!

I am also contacting all the agencies in the vicinity of where you are and letting them know about this "Animal cruelty"...

And you will be hearing from many more people on this issue, I assure you! This is disgusting for the both the animals and the people too see! Shame on whomever is allowing this to happen, shame!

{my name}...

Thank you all for caring so much.

I am still looking for more agencies to contact for this type of so called Art to stop, completely. I second all of Sophia's words in her letter to the Biennale!
FreeSpiritRunning...


 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:59 am
OKAY OKAY .........Maurizio Cattelan's "Novecentro" { THATS THE HUNG HORSE TO ALL OF YOU } died of natural causes and then was utilized in the work after its death .........IF THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR ALL OF YOU THEN STAY OUT OF NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUMS WHICH LAST I CHECKED HAVE VAST VAST VAST COLLECTIONS OF ANIMALS KILLED JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISPLAY THOSE ANIMALS WERE MURDERED ......THIS HORSE DIED AND WAS IMMORTALIZED AS A WORK OF ART ....
do any of you even know what the title means ......the 20th century ..or if you prefer 900 hundred years ...now look at the hung horse and think about it .....maybe what is wrong with the work is the missing of a club {you know as in beating a dead horse }i think you may need to know a little about trotsky as well to understand the work since these works which there are at least four i know of are all related to leon trotsky due to the artists iconization of the horse as related to his ideas of trotsky .....
this is utterly amusing to me due to the fact this is less controversial than say his most famous piece were a meteorite is shown flattening the pope
La Nona Ora (The Ninth Hour) that was pope john paul 2
..THIS chicken who has her head cut off is by .....is by artist mike parr ......NOW I DO NOT KNOW IF THE MAN EATS CHICKEN BUT EVEN if he doesnt thats how people kill chickens to eat them .....to document it is strange but i have seen videos from various various animal rights groups showing what occurs in slaughter houses .......i have seen videos at open air museums of how to as they put it slaughter an animal and dress it .......

i would also say that ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm his other works are related to self mutilation .......soooooooooooooooo i can not really say much about the works i have not seen BUT I HONESTLY THINK THOSE OF YOU THAT SCREAM AND SHOUT ABOUT THIS REALLY NEED TO GET SOME ART HISTORY UNDER YOUR BELTS ....

and HANS i am ashamed of you with all you free speech supporting to make the statements you have on this is kinda hypocritical ........

fyi the sydney biennale is free ..........they are not making money off people to get into the show ..it is actually there to show case art and to allow the public to be exposed to art ..........HAVE YA LOOKED AROUND THE PLANET ITS NOT PRETTY .....ART IS A MIRROR .........

.i do not eat avians or mammals ....but others do ....so as long as they to to use these creatures in art is going to continue ...

IF ONE IS GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE WHOLE STARVING DOG IN SOUTH AMERICA .....please please please show proof .......I HAVE FOUND NON and i have looked .........the animal welfare organizations have looked as well and found no evidence .....sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo its not true until it is proven ........
 

Zel J (23)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:09 am
This is so NOT art!! Message sent. Hopefully all our emails will close this show immediately. If one wants to display animals as art, it should be done in a manner which honors the animal. A horse hanging from the ceiling is demeaning. It is cruelty after death. Yes there are many places where animals are displayed, it is the demeaning manner in which the animals are displayed thet is so appalling. I disagree with animals being killed simply to be put on display. Most museums which have animals on display do use animals which died from natural causes &/or by accident. No matter how you add this up the display is just wrong!!
 

Rose L (202)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:23 am
This is just sickening...what will we see next named "ART"..
Noted and Email will be sent..
Elgin Lee B...why do you insist on twisting everything inside out????????
 

Hans L (958)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:28 am
You should not forget to right to the newspapers in Sydney!
http://www.smh.com.au/
http://www.smh.com.au/contacts/
http://www.bcl.com.au/sydney/news.htm maybe someone can tell us what would be the best medium for our emails! Maybe the SMH is too sophisticated...
Sophisticated people tend to think that this is OK! Thanks god i am not sophisticated and can see the difference between a cartoonist who can do allmost everything and a artist who abuses animals even if they are dead!



 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:28 am
how do you mean ROSE B .........expound please
 

Zel J (23)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:47 am
tried to post this with original comment, but had to go thru a run around to get the letter I sent copied. Just wanted to post it also, cuz well it is what is on my mind. So this is the letter I sent to the link provided.

I am totally appalled by the current display you have of dead animals. This can only attract deranged individuals. I hope this is the worst show you ever have. Not only is it extremely distasteful, it also is quite demeaning to the animals. It envokes all sorts of questions such as were the animals killed just for the sake of being publically displayed in a manner which shows absolutely no honor?? How many people that come to the show are going to say to themselves that they could kill any animal they want & display it in a similar fashion in their home, or place of work, or anywhere else they desire? Displays such as this are just wrong wrong wrong!!!!! With so mush violence in the world today, displays such as this only promote violence toward animals. If they were displayed in a way which honored them it would be bad enough, but to display the animals in humiliating manners is extremely distasteful. Please close this show immediatelyto
 

Marcy M (97)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:02 am
Since when do we call animal abuse/killing "art" Sick and outrageous!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:06 am
great now this is becoming some stupid trend!!!!!! DISGUSTING!!!!
 

June Marshall (395)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:30 am
This isn't art no matter how you look at it! It's sick and disgusting and gives a picture of the person who painted it! As someone else mentioned, Too bad this horse couldn't wrap a rope around the neck of THIS artist!
 

Joanna D (216)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:43 am
ELGIN LEE B.
Have you ever seen an exhibition with human bodies???
Probably not, because it would be outrageous, besides (not sure if in every country) but it's against the law...
and I could find many great ideas to express them using dead human bodies, so any ideas or visions of such an "artists" can't move me since he needs to use animals bodies like a things
it's a question of seeing an animal as a being or a thing
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:52 am
Some here have posted long drawn out explanations & reasoning for this so called art.

But all of us must remember there will be some who see this and go beyond the so called art form in their disturbed thinking......

Do you get it?........
And, ask yourself this:
Have you ever known of any animal capable of the same type of reasoning or thinking as this man????????????????

Man in many instances is nuttier than any aimal could ever be. Animals have a reasoning power/capability to think logically which has been predetermined by DNA......Man is forever trying to outwit logic and his DNA...............

"We see things not as they are,
but as we are."
--H.M. Tomlinson .......PLANT TREES FOR LIFE........

 

Joanna D (216)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 10:00 am
oh and don't say about Günther von Hagens as he takes bodies from donors
anyway his exhibition are not welcome in galleries....
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 10:01 am
This is just sick!!!!
 

Ana Maria Carvalho (103)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 10:01 am
He is not an artist but a very sick man.
Thank you Trudi.
 

Francesca L (140)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 10:09 am
This is so sickening - I expect the 'artist' also only did it to shock. What upsets me is the lack of equality and respect for an animals life; what if they hung a dead person from the ceiling, or filmed a human being decapitated...there would be uproar! The culture has become debased, so sad.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 10:34 am
Words fail me at the calling of this art. Infact the words I would like to use are unprintable. I would like to see the artist in the place of the dead horse. The artist is very very sick and should be in a mental hospital. Pearl.
 

Heather Blue (35)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 10:53 am
NO this is not ART!!!!!!!!!!
Would they hang a humen UP there would that be ART?
 

Theresa Koch (59)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:15 am
This is in NO form art and is a disgrace!
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:38 am
Yeap oh yea un ha wooo hooo!!! I got them real good with my letter. I let both barrels go, For I held nothing back. I also told them I hope him and all that payed to go in there that they all have sleepless nights and that these animals hunts them in there dreams for I find this very deserving for them and you. And by the way you want to know my name hua? well its Kiss My ASS!!!
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:39 am
DO YOU MEAN BODY WORLDS ...........by Gunther von Hagens......i lived in philadelphia and saw the show numerous times .......which is not by any means illegal ....it was held at our franklin institute .........i have hear of an artist hmmmmmmmmmmmm from south america what was his name ....i cant remember everything ...there are questions about von HAGENS and i have been amoung people who ask for investigation into those used in his shows ...

.i have seen mummified people from various cultures and animals from those cultures as well ...those animals were murdered ..this horse was not .........

to those of you who think this is a trend sorry but it is not i believe the first of these horses used was in the 1990ies .....



 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:50 am
Elgin......It is the idea of it all!!!!!!!

Don't you see that??!! What next, aborted fetuse's!!!!!!!!!

Only man can see things as this and make reason for it!!!!

"We see things not as they are,
but as we are."
--H.M. Tomlinson .......PLANT TREES FOR LIFE........

 

Hans L (958)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:57 am
I bet the budget for this Bienale 2008 is too big otherwise Marah would not have to provoke the way she did....

Marah Braye, the chief executive officer of the Biennale, said organisers were "looking into the matter" of upgrading the sign.

"Mike Parr is a well-respected and admired artist of international standing and the [Biennale's] artistic director has included his work because she believes his practice has made a significant contribution to contemporary art," she said.

Contemporary art's longstanding ability to arouse controversy will be underlined at this year's Biennale by another exhibit, Western Christian Civilisation by the Argentinian artist Leon Ferrari. Made in 1965 as the United States began to bomb Vietnam, it combines two elements into a large sculpted model of Christ being crucified, not on a cross but on the wings of an American fighter aircraft.

The work, which was censored in Argentina, is the first exhibit greeting visitors to the Biennale at the Museum of Contemporary Art.

Also on display is the Italian artist Maurizio Cattelan's Novecentro - a preserved dead horsehung by a saddle from the museum's ceiling. A spokeswoman for the Biennale insisted the horse died of natural causes.

A horse suspended from the roof of the Museum of Contemporary Art is just one of 250 contemporary art works being shown as part of the 2008 Biennale of Sydney.

The exhibition, which opens tomorrow, is in seven different locations around the city, as well as a world-first online venue.

The Biennale's artistic director, Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev, says it was important to revolutionise the Biennale itself.

"Biennales are traditionally exhibitions of the young emerging artists," she said.

"I began to think and thats where i put my ??????????

Somebody has actually been thinking about this?

There are many sponsors who pay millions to show this SHIT!
http://www.bos2008.com/page/partners.html
Since the SMH is a partner they will not stop this insanity!
The list of partners is long and if you look at the size of this event
than you find the explanation why they have to expose these kind of ART?


 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:57 am

While I have the utmost respect for freedom of expression, I do not consider all forms of expression to be ART!!!!

Even more disturbing than the artist are the spectators. (Who is the geek here?)

Thanks for post this, Trudi. I will be sending my own email.
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:23 pm
Oh yeah!....e-mail sent!! They're not gonna like me...& will have alot to think about when they sign off for the night. It is an irremissable act & the damage is already done, the more they practice this, the more they will ultimately have to pay for.
 

Susan Hall-Amado (61)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:38 pm
This is not art. It is a purely disgusting way for any individual to earn a living. Those paying to see this despicable display are people without a conscience.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:39 pm
Thank you Trudi! No this is no art! DIES IST EINE SCHWEINEREI SONST NICHTS!
We should write to the partners of the Biennale since both Marah Braye and Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev agree that this is art! Seems that without these kind of things they would not attract 250.000 visitors..if you look at the range of locations the number of people needed for this Biennale 2008 than you know that MILLIONS OF AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS are WASTED on THIS BULLSHIT !
Dies ist nicht nur eine Schweinerei sondern auch echt SCHEISSE!
Transfield is one of the main sponsors of this Bullshit!

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Trudi Reijnders (242)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:41 pm
Thank you all for sending your email.Just came home from work,checked my messages,but till now I did not receive a reply.Did anyone receive a reply???
In case somebody has other ideas about contacting whoever is involved in this so called art,please add it in a comment here.
There must be a way to stop this.Has anyone contacted the RSPCA?
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:44 pm
Thanks for the info Johann! I'm getting a package together right now for them. Some nice words & pictures to accompany the nice words. It will be on it's way tomorrow morn.
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:48 pm
Thank you Johann,that's what we need:addresses!!!Thank you so much.
If enough people stand up,something could be accomplished.It's not enough to read this and find it awful.Let all those involved know we are very much against this perversity.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:54 pm
Hi Trudi!
Yes i think the police and the RSPCA have both been contacted.
The exhibition, which includes a film showing a live chicken being decapitated, has prompted a complaint to the RSPCA.
But the sponsors need to know that their customers dislike this!
This is sick nothing else just sick! Not only the horse also the liven chicken....lets make some noice!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 12:58 pm
I wonder if they want this kind of publicity?
It seems as if this is all that they want...since they dont need paying visitors because the millions flow from the tax payer (stupid idiots if you accept that they do this with your tax money!) And from the sponsors i have mentioned above...WRITE EMAILS..thousands of mails will make them think about this BS!
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 1:02 pm
OH YEAH JOHANN! I LIKE TO MAKE NOISE! Let's rock their boat. After we all rock this one, let's rock another.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 1:06 pm
I also want to rock the boat of the 10 activists here in Austria! Who fight for the animal rights all over the world! If the industry can do this here in Austria they can do it everywhere!
Allmost 3000 signatures now but they need to feel that we the animal friends from Care2 stand beside them!
Trudy has posted this in the VGT Group:
Please write the animal rights activists Christian, Christof, Elmar, Felix, Jan, Juergen, Kevin, Leo, Martin, Sabine: Mails (add their firstnames in the subject) info@vegan.at Letters: Prison Wr. Neustadt, Felix Hnat (JA Eisenstadt), Maximiliang. Neustadt, Felix Hnat (JA Eisenstadt), Maximiliang. 3, 2700 Wr. 3, 2700 Wr. Neustadt Neustadt
 

sharon c (8)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 1:15 pm
Email sent and i am sickened to think anyone considers this art.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 1:20 pm
so sad so sick these people havent got a clue or a decent bone in their bodies in my opinion !!!1111
 

barb b (32)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 1:34 pm
this is so sad.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:01 pm
email has been sent. Thank you Trudi.
 

JD Soriano (18)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:35 pm
can't the artist paint or draw instead of hanging a horse? our world is getting crazier everyday and what's worse, animals who are innocent are suffering for it.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 2:35 pm
Noted, It takes one to know one, therefore anyone paying to walk through the door to the atrocious exhibit are as sick as the artist. So with that said, we are wasting our angst on these idiots as the horse and chicken are already dead. The job now it to stop this person from killing more animals for "art subjects".
 

Suzanne W (33)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:03 pm
this isnt and never will be art this is the same twisted behaviour with the poor dog they tied up in a gallery to starve to death with the words 'you are what you eat ' above it's head written in dog biscuits ,
the dog was called 'natividad ' the spanish word for birth .
i dont understand why hanging a poor dead animal from a ceiling would be 1 firth looking at and 2 what person would think to do that , and dont even get me started on the poor chicken being decapitated ,all i can say at this time is IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY .
 

Carl Nielsen (7)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:16 pm
"Interesting" how you all agree that freedom of expression is a bad idea.
In this case something is done with a DEAD horse - it may or may not be bad taste, but the treatment can in no way be cruel, tortuous or whatever - a dead creature is incabable of feeling anything.
If you don't like that kind of art, you are just as free to not experience it as those who disagree with you are free to experience it - like it or not its a fundamental human right.
I personally don't care much for a lot of the crap passed of as art, but I don't force others to share my taste.
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:18 pm

Okay, okay . . .

Let's not get sidetracked.
 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:21 pm
Go ahead, I fear no evil..I have done nothing wrong but speak the truth.
For I am...
FreeSpiritRunning and I know who I am and what I stand for.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:27 pm
To the individual above who claimed that they would never do something like this with human bodies.... It was recently near me:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3461010

I didn't see it myself but heard about it from many people. I don't mean to get off track, but thought I would share what people are all capable of.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:49 pm
Carl.....Yes, we all want deserve freedom of speech & expression. But, type of expression goes beyond ethics, principles, logic, common sense and morality.

Suppose a parent took a small or young child of say ten or so to see this. Can you imagine how seeing this as defined art would/could impact such a child at the moment or in the future. This child may see it as something way beyond what it is. Even if a parent did not take a child to see such a thing just over hearing talk of it could saturate the imagination in a way that could not be positive no matter how you look at it.

The spill over affect of this runs the gamut from disturbing, life in any form seen as no value to acting out in some bizaare manner because of the seeing or hearing of this art form!!!!!!!

Go back to the turn of the century & before art truly was displayed in very tasteful forms. Now through the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's, art forms have escalated to bizaare levels.
What next, it's leaves not much to imagine anything beautifully expressed. Seemingly, shock art forms are in and decency out the window!!!!

The painted shadow of the moon is more beautiful than a strung up dead horse!!!!!!!


“The church says the earth is flat,
but I know that it is round,
for I have seen the shadow on the moon,
and I have more faith in a
shadow than in the church”
Ferdinand Magellan
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 3:53 pm

To add to that . . .

Since when did all freedom of expression become "art?"

Sometimes, it's an "essay" or a "statement" or an "opinion."

But "art?"

Nonetheless, I believe in the right to express it. My objection is calling it "art."
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:08 pm
I have only two words that come to my mind....DISGUSTING ASSHOLE!!!!
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:10 pm

LOL (so much for my attempts at diplomacy)!

ROFLMAO
 

Hans L (958)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:16 pm
Cher Isbell! Thats a great way to describe this kind of artists!

Do you want to know more about him? http://www.massimodecarlo.it/sito/uploads/grandi/CAT-263-001.jpg

Cattelan did not attend art school but taught himself. He did many odd jobs, including one at a mortuary, which some credit for his macabre taste. He started his career in Forlì (Italy) making wooden furniture in the eighties where he came to know some designers like Ettore Sottsass. He made a catalogue of his work which he sent to galleries. This promotion gave him an opening in design and contemporary art. He created a sculpture of an ostrich with its head buried in the ground, wore a costume of a figurine with a giant head of Picasso, and he affixed a Milanese gallerist to a wall with tape. During this period, he also created the Oblomov Foundation.

Most recently, Cattelan has taken on the role of curator. He resides in the East Village of New York City, but maintains a foothold in Milan. He created a magazine called Permanent Food which includes images stolen from other magazines.
 

Teresa Soares (82)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:19 pm
I´ve no more words to express my anguish in presence of the senseless from the organizers of this bienale. We can´t accept any words from them. It is unjustifiable. Art is not this expressions of sadism, human fracture, a non positiv built of the artistry, a vacuous of ideas in allege "artists", an apology of suffer and pain, a doubtful and sombre view of life.
Today, i´m sure i can´t sleep in peace.
 

Bronwyn H (228)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:32 pm
Noted. Dear FreeSpiritRunning my friend, your comment: Who is allowing this to happen? Are you all nuts in Australia? Do you not have compassion for an animal? How about the visitors, how do you think they will take this?
Please note most of us Australians are kind and compassionate people and would not support or condone this so called Art Exhibition. I for one have been an animal lover and protector all my life, as were my parents and family. I have emailed Marah Braye - CEO of the Biennale expressing my disgust in her decision to include this work in the exhibition.
 

Teresa Soares (82)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 4:44 pm
We must write a lot of protests.
Here it goes mine, sent just now:

To: Organizers, Biennal Sidney,
Mrs. Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev

I´ve no more words to express my anguish in presence of the senseless from the organizers of this Biennale.
It is unjustifiable to show exhibitions with a horse suspended from the roof of the Museum of Contemporary Art between 250 contemporary art works as part of the 2008 Biennale of Sydney. Or a video of murdering children!
This is an outrage.
This is perverse.
This is an insult.
This is an atrocity.
This is cruel.
This is sickening, disturbing.

This is bizarre, to show in bizarre events - but not necessary.

We don´t need more suffering, more dying.


This is not art.

Art is not this expressions of sadism, human fracture, a non positiv built of the artistry, a vacuous of ideas and concepts in allege "artists", an apology of suffer and pain, a doubtful and sombre view of life in a better world.

I would like you reconsider before descending deeper into absurdity, emptiness, complicity with levels of insanity and non ethical values or meaningless in disturbed persons.

Maria Teresa Soares
- Teacher, Universidade de Aveiro, Portugal
 

Dorothy Commander (61)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:07 pm
Where is the outcry of sadism in Australia?
Why would ANYONE who isn't an inbred thrice over ever want to
go to see this?
This horrible man certainly got the attention he wanted.
Why hasn't an animal protection organization shut this
disgusting "display" down & arrested this malicious malfunctioning
individual? Why is this even allowed?? Where is the help for these animals?
Disgustingly noted and letter sent.
 

RIVER F (98)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:32 pm
THIS IS SO OUTRAGEOUS & HORRENDOUS IT'S A GOOD THING I'M NOWHERE NEAR THE CREEPS WHO DID THIS !!! I'D BE IN JAIL !
 

DonnaMarie Sloma (3)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:34 pm
This is wrong in so many levels, I would ask for my money back!
 

Hans L (958)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:36 pm
Daphne the greek godess of animal rights has been watching this and has taken action the question is what is happening in Australia? I have Austria on my agenda! I did what i could for this Biennale but maybe you all know what happened with the HIVOS petition? I heared from them today...they see that HIVOS is still the target and will take action ..but they have nothing to do with this artist or exhibition maybe the australian sponsors can tell us the same! Care2 is realy the best you have to love them!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 5:52 pm
Danielle.......Very funny.................

Plant them trees............
 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 6:16 pm
I would like to make a public apology for saying what I said about the Australians being nuts.

It was brought to my attention by a good friend of mine, Bronwyn, thank you dear heart.

I never meant to imply all the Australians are nuts, so if I may please correct myself and say that only the ones that are allowing this to happen, the ones who are in charge of this insane exhibit is who I meant.

I realize that I said that wrong, so please forgive me, as I have many Aussie friends..and I know how kind & compassionate you all are...

And to Danielle & Bette, yes...I thought what I said was clever, however the site did not, and they deleted my comment because of its content. But that's okay, cause we are here for the topic, not to fight.

Kudos to you Danielle for teaching your daughter the correct way in life.My son is the same age and did the same thing hon...amazing children knowing better than some adults?

Much love to all here,
Thank you for understanding, I got a little hot under the collar.
FreeSpiritRunning...
 

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:11 pm
SO you WANT THE WHOLE THING SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF TWO ARTISTS.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Works for me. Close em down. This is not art.
 

Karen M (176)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:19 pm
This is not art. And I knew there would be copycats to that guy who starved the dog who is about to do it again. It's difficult to believe that galleries would embrace such exhibits. Even with controversy and money involved, it's still difficult to believe.
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:24 pm
Holy shit.......Hell I cant add to any of this.....I am saddend to see to see this horse in this way. I dont beleive that I could or ever would go see something like this for I would see the death in the horses eyes...and for that I would so cry. All know how I feel about things like this and I no likie. I think artists are going a more marcabe way with some things to which none of us are accostimed too or ever will be here. I will send me e-mail but too tired to say what I really think. Elgin is my friend and I dont want him on my ass...LOL But I do beleive people are going to the extremes for and in the name of art for thier own morbid reasons.

Your silly gorilly

Big Gorilly Hugs
 

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:33 pm
You go Hans:)
Joy I'm with you sister:)
I've noted that SOMEBODY likes to irate people and then once they get them stirred up, they report them to care. How low can you go:(
And yes, Joy is a very dear friend of mine. Please do leave her alone.
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:40 pm
Hey I know my aussie friends are crazy....but in a good way for they are the ones who taught me to repell the aussie way HEAD FIRST.....Yea.....Thats the way to repell......

Big Gorilly HUgs
 

Jeffrey Coolwater (148)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:49 pm
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Would anyone's dead Mother or Father or child or any other living or once-living creature, hanging likewise from an art gallery ceiling be considered Art ?????!!!!!

I think not !!!!!!!

That the question bears asking is far more troubling !!!!!
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Deborah C (247)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:51 pm
Years ago 'an artist' put a sheep in formaldahide (I don't know how to spell it) in a glass case and said that was art too.

It proves that someone like me who is no good at art at all could do the same and call it art and make loads of money.

These people must have no heart to do things like that to dead animals. If a mentally disturbed person had done that everyone would say they were sick, artists do this and they're genius's.

The people who think this sort of art is wonderful need to go and see a psychiatrist.
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 7:57 pm
I really dont think artists are Geniuses at all, some have a warped minds if you stop and think about it. We artists are eccentric people in many diffrent means. I dont condone this at all. I am sorry Elgin if I offend you but who the hell would buy a dead horse and hang it from thier ceiling if there wasnt something a bit off??? This is my opinion only. But then again I guess you could come back on me with the dear deer on walls and such...but too tired to put up fight guys...you know goillys words are way kinda light on this.....

Big GOrilly Hugs
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:08 pm
If the horse was a pet or something, why the hell hang it from the roof? That is stupid looking. That shows no respect for him. So he died of natural causes, why hang him from the roof? what is that suppose to prove??? what point?? NONE.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:09 pm
And most of you so called animal activist get so irate when people call you out on your own very nasty hateful selves.
Eglin I am with ya hun. If someone made a piece or art and calls it art, it is art.
I just 2 years ago saw this exhibit
http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/
Loved every moment of it. The horse was dead already so to compare this with the starved dog is fetching I think. No one not even artist will say freedom of expression is all art is about...
Miss Gorilly said it, why is this ANY DIFFERENT then a deer or a stuffed rabbit sitting on you mantel? NOTHING! Maybe taxidermist should also lose their jobs since they too work with dead caucuses... Or Maybe we should start banning autopsies since they work on dead carcases as well.....
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:14 pm

WUT????

With that type of reasoning we most certainly are NOT far from hanging human corpses from a ceiling and calling that "art."

After all, the funeral director called it that.

ABSOLUTELY INSANE!
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:15 pm
Who is "so called"? Yeah, it figures ur with Elgin, hun. Nobody is being hateful. We are just fed up with ignorance..such as saying an exhibit like a dead animal is ART. And when Gorilly said that about the mounted heard...I REALLY DON'T THINK SHE WAS MISTAKING THAT AS ART EITHER. I THINK SHE WAS SAYING THERE IS SOMETHING A LITTLE OFF WITH PEOPLE WHO MISCONSTRUE THAT LOAD OF CRAP AS ART. BUT U TWO HAVE A GOOD LIFE WITH THAT MESSED UP POINT OF VIEW. I FOR ONE THINK U R IN THE WRONG PLACE
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:17 pm
SOME PEOPLE GOT NO REASON
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:20 pm

Randy Newman: "Some people got no reason . . ."

(Hmmm... or was that "short people?")

LOL
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:21 pm
Did anyone actually read the story that is linked for this? It is saying or trying to shock people because of all the shocks in the world, you know like murder, rape and slavery.
And just for the record. I showed this to my daughter, 15, who will be a Vet when she is older and she also read the story and said, if it was dead, whats the big whoop. We work on dead things all the time in school, like frogs and cats even... So i guess we should pull all of our kids from school cause in science class they may work on dissecting frogs...
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:23 pm
Just carol, take a look at this link. http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/

They aren't hanging, but they are dead HUMAN bodies being used as art in an expository way.
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:23 pm

How dare you!

I read the article. I also don't think that autopsied bodies and disected animals qualify as "art."

What those children are studying in school are "science" and "biology" -- NOT ART!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:35 pm
HAHAHAH How dare I? Ok so sorry Mommy..
Oh goodness, I see so my kids thinking is less valid then you kids, cause my kids understanding is a bit stronger then most here and welcome back Daphane, I thought you have been banned and swore you'd never return????
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:37 pm
I sure hope all can read between the typos Gorilly is really fatigued....
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:38 pm
The issues is it is art. It may be in bad taste, but it IS STILL ART!
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:41 pm
Oh nopw come on lets lit Daphene into this...Please. She is the most active activist I know Boty....And alas yes schools do still do this crap I didnt participate my heart couldnt do it.....But I think art has drifted off the paths of our greats Michaelangelo, Di Vinci these guys painted real art...This world stuff isnt my cup of tea.....

Big Gorilly Hugs
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:42 pm
This is making for a great debate....
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:44 pm
I would not call irreverance for life or death more understanding...I would consider it hard & cold. But, that;s just me..and almost everyone else in here besides Elgin. Who cares who thinks it is ART..it is morally wrong. The issue is not that it is art..the issue is that it is sick perverse. Disrespect for the dead is wrong in so many ways. Would u display your dead mother? If not, then how could it be "less valid" as u say..concerning another being?
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:47 pm
I meant lets keep Daphene out of this please....God I cannot spell tonight...Gezzzzzzzzzz
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:48 pm
Wow..ooga booga..u R tired!! lol XoXo
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:51 pm
Have you looked at the link I have here 2 times? Cause some people do have their mother's on display as well as thier father and themselves with their dead baby sticking out their gut.... The story title asks if this is art. It doesn't say anything about if this is this sick and perveres...
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:52 pm

I don't know where you live, Peggy, but where I do -- there isn't a sign outside the local funeral parlor that says:

"Viewing/Art Exhibit"
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:55 pm
See I wish not to see anything like that...I cant fathom how someone portray's that as art...??? Maybe I dont understand their philosophy on it and never will and I myself would have to say no it isnt art. To me it is morbid Boty...sorry but to me it is......

Gorilly
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 8:57 pm
Um..thanks for the lesson..but I can in fact read. I
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:02 pm
U WILL NEVER WIN AN A.R. ARGUMENT WITH THAT LAME MATERIAL. JUST A HEADS UP..THANK YOU THOUGH, FOR TRYING. DEATH ISN'T ART. GO TO A THREAD WHERE U CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. U WILL NOT CHANGE THE AR WAY OF THINKING JUST BECAUSE YOU POINT OUT THE OBVIOUS. EVERYTHING U STATED WAS SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNEW BECAUSE YES....WE DID READ IT. BUT THX FOR ASKING LIKE 3 TIMES.
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:02 pm

I'm so glad I decided to be cremated! ROFLMAO!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:08 pm
My point exactly. You can't change what some people view as art and no one can change your view of what isn't art. So there we have an agreement. I am not trying to change your way or anyone else's. Glad you can read tho... I am sure you have heard the old saying. One mans garbage is another mans treasure. It still is art whether or not you like it, agree with it or condone it.
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:11 pm
Glad to make our garbage your treasue. AHHH...TO TREASURE DEATH SO MUCH YOU WOULD FIGHT FOR IT. BRAVO.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:11 pm
WOW no your not hateful, just full of hateful, slanderous, untrue about me words. Very good on that double standard...
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:14 pm
BOT FLY..WHY DO U THINK U FIND YOURSELF ON THE DEFENSE LIKE...EVERY SINGLE POST. GET THE HINT. IT IS IGNORANCE WE HATE. IT THE SHOE FITS....HANG IT ON THE WALL WITH A FEW DEAD FLIES & CALL IT ART!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:16 pm
And you all do not get it cause of you eyes only seeing death of an animal. I do not like this, but I will not go and say a whole building and all the people in it should lose their jobs over it. As most of you hear have said.. I am going on what is in my opinion my opinion. You have your I have mine and we are all in this together. Being an activist means more then just shouting at people all day. I for one have a house full of saved animals. So I do know, understand and care. I just do not like when the masses get together crying foul over what they consider to be wrong. This horse was not placed in any danger nor was it tortured before it was placed there. So what exactly are you fighting for over this?
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:16 pm

I don't wanna "go Native" on you all (but I'm going to anyway).

A life lost should be respected. When we lose sight of that, we lose respect for life itself.

When we start viewing death as art, we have devalued the meaning of the life that was. We are not carcasses; and when we breathe our last breaths, our lifetime of breaths should be revered, and our memories held close.

I'm not sure I wish to live among those who find "objectifying" death as art.

So, yes, Peggy, consider it art -- but consider yourself for finding it as such.
 

Danielle L (146)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:21 pm
honestly, if u have to ask WHY?....just don't even bother. Goodnight REAL AR's. Love u all. I'm tired of this mindless banter. U also bot...namaste...but I do not agree. U r still human and carry great value inside yourself. Maybe just try to see the sickness in it. Namaste
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:24 pm
Well I see my post are not going through so goodnight to you also DANYELL have a good night sleep.
 

Carole S (338)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:25 pm

I am saddened that these simple truths are being questioned. Have we actually become such a group of "enlightened liberals" that we no longer no where to draw the line?

The line is drawn according to your own moral principles. I draw mine at the depiction of death as art.
 

Donn M (56)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 9:32 pm
I suppose art is in the eye of the beholder, but if this is art, then anything at all could be considered art. I don't know what (if any) kind of point the "artist" is trying to make with hanging a dead horse, but it seems more than a little weird and yucky. I'm glad there are people willing to protest over offensive stuff like this, but I think I'll save my outrage for instances where abuse is actually occuring.
 

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 10:53 pm
I think if the world would object to this type of cruel inhumane behavior, we might start to see change in the world. I'd like to see compassion and kindness taught to kids, not a poor dead soul hanging from a ceiling. Until we teach from birth what is and isn't acceptable, the world will continue to parish. If we do not start to teach love, kindness, compassion and respect to children about animals, how will they learn to respect other humans? And don't even get me started on that frog thing at school.
That is NO LONGER A REQUIREMENT. They found out that some kids actually do flip out. I also refuse to go anywhere they have innocent dead animals hanging on the walls.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:20 pm
To everybody who asked-what is next. let me say that next has already happen-take a look-

http://www.gadling.com/2007/11/17/dead-body-exhibition-in-barcelona/
 

Cheryl B (60)
Wednesday June 18, 2008, 11:21 pm
I am so disgusted and ashamed..Im at a loss for words, but will make my view very clear in an email..!!
 

Debbi Pilkington (98)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:58 am
Some people are so sick and twisted, weve had this with the little dog being starved to death on exhibition 'in the name of art' and now this! THIS IS NOT ART! And... why and who are these people that even attend these exhibitions???
Thank you Trudi - noted and emailed!!
 

Bobbie I (32)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 3:58 am
In life we constantly must make the daily effort to show every living creature - respect.
The same applies to death. Respect + dignity are not hard traits to enlist and its a sign of the times when to gain fame, riches or even infamy desecration is the only means.
Art might be in the eye of the beholder, but this is simply a person using death to attempt to gain knowledge about art. They and anyone who sees this exhibition of inhumanity should be ASHAMED.
I can't wait for the Karma Police to catch them all up!

 

LL A (33)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 5:05 am
To people of good hearts and souls, a dead horse –HOWEVER IT DIED—hung from a gallery ceiling, is NOT ART. No matter how anyone else tries to justify. And telling [or reminding] those of good hearts how chickens are killed—in order for them to appear all nicely chopped and clean and FDA sealed, ready and waiting at the meat counter—is no different from a gallery film/video touted as art, is an insult. They can discern the difference.

The problem here is that— the world is NOT filled of all good hearts and/or souls. There are varying degrees of dark or darkened hearts and they will produce what THEY call art. The deeper problem is—they will call it and pass it off as Art, because they will consider themselves to be, “an artist!” They will sell another on the fact that it is art for the sake of what it will earn for all those involved. And when alone, those artists will brood about those who would not see it as such, and will laugh at and behind the backs of those who did.

As was stated above, cow dung on a plate is just that, Cow Dung on a Plate. It is NOT art; regardless the heart or perspective.

To proclaim ANYthing as art is indeed subjective. Beauty is subjective. Talent is subjective. Taste is also subjective. And we all know [or have known] someone who lacks it. But, is decency or morality? Is humanity subjective?

To explain away a hung horse as nothing more than an empty shell—not good for anything anymore anyway— yes. There is some unfortunate truth to that. That’s exactly how many organ donors feel.

But what hangs there now, takes away from the life that “shell” once carried. But then, that’s how I feel. That’s MY opinion. But then— emotions and opinions are subjective as well. I stand with those who find it distasteful, objectionable, and/or the WRONG THING TO DO. Regardless the artist.


Don’t get me wrong though, the paradox of what is housed in museums of natural history—for the sake of science and/or human history—is NOT lost on me. Taxidermists, I don’t care how well they come across or present themselves as a human beings, will NOT find me appreciative of what they do for either hobby or a living.

But then, we also all know life is a bit askew. Too many have forsaken morality, integrity, respect, responsibility, and yadda, yadda, yadda! I’ve talked the talk and know— too many people don’t care, in the least, how those chicken breasts get to the meat counter. They don’t care how eggs are gathered, and they don’t care about what they don’t see.

So, it’s the few who argue and stand for the many. Or for those who the masses believe are voiceless. It’s the seemingly few who bravely fend off ridiculous excuses and/or justifications—the seemingly few who take it to the streets, or mailboxes or newspapers, so as to stop what they see as madness.

My stand remains, A Dead Horse Hung in a Gallery is NOT Art; it's Madness!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 5:57 am
This NOT art but an exploitation for a persons twisted need. It is disgusting
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 6:31 am
i am continually attacked as if i created the works ....AS IF I STATED I LIKE THE WORKS ... i never said i like it ...i did say i think the horse is still beautiful ...never said i fully understood why they chose to use the animals .........ASK IF IT IS ART .....yup it is whether you like it or not .........I NEVER SAID YOU HAD TO LIKE IT .....I NEVER SAID STOP WRITING YOUR LETTERS ...i did loosely try and direct people not to write letters which promote violence ...overtly radical or hyper emotional ....WHY WELL AS I STATED BEFORE THOSE THINGS ARE FLAGGED AND YOU CAN BE TRACKED .....DO YA ALL WANT THAT .....I DONT ..i dont think anyone wants that
..i try to look at things from an outside perspective and look at THE HOW AND THE WHY without emotion ...time frame is relevant {as in the chicken decapitation piece done in 1970 } from my understanding now it is part of a wide array of mike parr's performance work {so i doubt it was used for food but for what he considered at the time performance art .....but i am unsure what happened to the chicken afterwards }{"I STATE AGAIN I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS USE OF MURDERING ANIMALS FOR ART SAKE "}.....the universal declaration of animal rights was made available in 1978......(am i wrong on that ) so would he be in violation of the declaration for work which occurred prior to it or were things grandfathered into it .....

I POSE QUESTIONS .........I GIVE DATA ...........OR IF ONE PREFERS THE COUNTER WHICH IS OFTEN NEEDED ........or do we just want everyone to stoke our fires and pat us on the back for being good little soldiers in the war for animal liberation ..........

HAS ANYONE EVEN THOUGHT THAT MIKE PARR MAY HAVE MOVED ON TO THE MUTILATING OF HIS OWN BODY DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE DID NOT LIKE WHERE HE WAS GOING WITH KILLING OTHER ANIMALS .........i dont know i have written him to ask ...I HAVE POLITELY ASK WHAT WAS HE THINKING AT THAT TIME . but are WE not to care of the motive or anything like that so maybe we can spot and stop this from occurring in art...........

i can not help that i think these things we live in are shells and once i am dead do as you will with this husk i will be gone and you can make use as you see fit ........

SOME WOULD SAY THE ANIMAL HAS NO WAY OF GIVING THAT Permission FAIR ENOUGH......but my cat does not get to choose where we live not even a say ....so i am forcing my choses and ideas on him ......

WHY IS IT OKAY FOR A INDIGENOUS PERSON TO GATHER BONES AND FEATHERS AND SKINS TO CREATE WORKS OF ART .......BUT not the artist using the horse ....is it the fact that the horse has not been pieced or do we set the indigenous outside of our world view ....all the while screaming we have lost the connection to the natural .......AND IF WE HAVE LOST THAT CONNECTION AND AN ARTIST IS TRYING TO reconnect with it wouldnt their first attempt look a bit awkward ......or maybe they are trying to show the lack of respect we have for life .......I DONT KNOW ......BUT I WILL NOT TRY AND SILENCE ANY OF IT ..........

if something is illegal then help have those involved jailed ........BUT BY ALL MEANS REMEMBER PEOPLE ARE DOING TIME IN JAIL RIGHT NOW FOR WHAT IS CALLED HARASSMENT WITH IN THE ANIMAL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND I DO NOT THINK THAT IS GOING TO END ANY TIME SOON ........

OH TRUDI i am sorry if for some reason it appeared i called you a name and i am glad that post was removed i was directing that toward people who think theirs is only one way to be an animal rights activist .......

STEPHANIE I LOVE YA ..........and you say what you feel ......i do not have anything but kind thoughts for you and what you do .......

for others that hate me and want to ostracize ....thats okay ...

 

Danielle L (146)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 6:36 am
It is art in Some people's eyes. that is true...but majority rules that it in fact is NOT art. it is an abomination. We are entitled to OUR opinions just as U R.
 

Hans L (958)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 7:07 am
Elgin Lee nice to see that you appologize to Trudy! Calling Trudy a animal fascist is something that you call in Germany eine absolute SCHWEINEREI!
Its realy sick its just as bad as the suspension of CATE GROVE has been we should and will never accept this!
That is absolute inacceptable! S#### S###
I think that some people have given you pretty good advise!
I concentrate on the animal fascists as you like to call them and hope that all the others will help these animal fascists to! Daphne is right! About the difference between Europe and the USA!
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/VGT


 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 7:29 am
I would like to thank Hans, my friend for all of his input on this topic. You have some really great posts! Much love to you Hans, you truly care.

Blessings to all...
Spread the love, not the hate.

I don't like this so-called artform, To me, this not art, and I am an artist, I draw. But that is my opinion, & yes, we all have them. However, we can express our opinions without evoking people to make you angry enough to say things they don't mean because of your points of view. I am a passive person by nature, until provoked. Then the native animal comes out in me, sorry. I don't take any crap either.

Artists can express themselves just the same with a dummy horse used as opposed to a live "DEAD" horse. It's just damn inhumane, no matter which way you look at it, twist it, turn it, try to justify it, it just ain't happening! It's wrong, and we all know it! The true believers of justice!

We can all get along without always agreeing.
FreeSpiritRunning...
 

Hans L (958)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 7:33 am
Mitakuye Oyasin that is simple but wonderful!
Thank you

 

Goddess Lozz (213)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 7:34 am
Humans are so f***ed up, it's unbelievable!! This is disgusting and the person involved should be put away for life for this atrocity, this is NOT art but MURDER!!
 

Joyce C (17)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 7:43 am
It's only art if someone makes millions off it right?
 

Sharon Froehlich (99)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 7:53 am
It's not art and someone should have stopped it long before it got to be exhibited! I am concerned for the type of person this artist is and the people who humored him by setting this up. Have we really lost so much feeling and empathy for others, both creatures and humans? The artist should be forced to drink the Kool-Aid.(Actally it was Flavor-ade because that was cheaper) Thanks for the post Trudi, noted ans email sent.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 8:23 am
Through all of the posted comments something tells me our sense of decency & morality was murdered by some humans who demanded freedom of expression & speech that now burns our senses in a way that defies common sense.

To see this is more than a slip of the tongue about who or what we are compared to the intelligence of animals.........Man done lost his common sense a long time ago.

"Because we don't think about
future generations, they will
never forget us.-Henry Tikkanen"

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.....FOR THE ANIMALS............

 

LL A (33)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 8:33 am
Granted—this is far from a simple matter. Where are the lines drawn and who are those that draw them? I’ve walked among the First Nation Peoples; I’ve walked the Grand Entry at Powwow, heard the piercing eagle bone whistles during tribal dances, seen the regalia, watched and been part of a dance or three. [or four, or five or …] There is a difference.

One would think that the issue of Right v. Wrong is basically black-n-white. But— it is not; which, unfortunately, makes right and/or wrong subjective as well. As leaning goes, I subscribed long ago to ‘what is merely is.’ That something—anything—is neither good nor evil nor divine. It’s what you do with what it is that you know that makes others perceive an act as being right or wrong; making the doer either a loser or a hero; a success or a failure; an artist or someone claiming something as art; the critic or one who stands to profit.

Subjectivity aside though, is it truly a matter of whether or not it is art, or our being told to accept it as art, therefore making it alright; acceptable? What’s that saying? Something about— bad things happen when good people do nothing? Well, there's been WAY too much of that going on.

But back to it being no simple matter. I know of a mother who has shared her son’s poetry. He wants to be a writer. And he considers his poetry his art. He does have a way with words. But her concern is that they are dark. VERY DARK! And it makes her uncomfortable to read. She shared [looking for input] only what she thought others could bear.

I have a reasonable understanding of the mental torture this teenage boy went through as he grew up [so far…] and my thoughts to her were those of, ‘yes, he clearly has a gift for words. But—I see them more as his way [for now] of trying to make some sense of it all, and his way of reaching out and helping his mother understand what’s gone on in his head.' I offered that she not stop reading. It doesn't even mean that his words are for anyone but her right now.

What if it’s just some one crying out? Does that make it art?

One more side-track: I read a critic’s opinion of impressionist art as – it began because the artist’s eyesight was failing and he simply no longer saw [or painted] what other people saw. Then— others began to copy him. It became the new art. I don’t like impressionism. I don’t like cubism. Would I have protested against them? NO! But, I don’t care how nicely that horse died, or how LONG AGO the video/film of that decapitation of a chicken was made, it is still in very bad taste and NOT ART.

Now, if he’d carved a true-to-life statute the horse I’d be more inclined to be impressed and give it its due. I can only figure [until I am made to understand otherwise] it was much easier to achieve and cheaper to get a real life dead one.

If one wants to admire the beauty of a horse, all one needs do is take a ride in the country or visit a horse farm, stables, or a sanctuary. Staring at one HANGING FROM A CEILING [no less] is a morbid curiosity of death. Nothing more. But then this is all in my subjectively humble opinion!

As for the museum heads allowing, indulging and offering him the opportunity... I question their true motives and bias as well.
 

Carl Nielsen (7)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 9:03 am
I just read the so called "universal declaration of animal rights" - what a piece of crap - just because some nutter writes a document and sends it to UNESCO doesn't make it something anybody has any obligation to obey in any way.

A dead animal is incabable of any suffering, so whatever you do to carcass it cannot possibly be violating ANY animal welfare norms. Obviously this doesn't hold for live animals, but thats a totally different issue.

There IS something called the universal declaration of HUMAN rights, which the the bogus "animal" version violates - I guess thats not something you feel should be respected.
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 10:11 am
The reason I submitted this article,is because I would like people to reflect on the matter, share their opinion,here and with those involved in the Biennale in Sydney, create awareness about what's acceptable.(Specially the artists)Most of us are against this way of showing the body of a dead creature,and than call it art.Some people have a different view on this,and I think everybody has the right to express him/herself.(without calling names though)
That's how communication is supposed to start.
But...when we start being unpolite to eachother,that's where the communication gets "killed".
Elgin,I have not seen your removed post,but apologies are accepted.It happens in the heat of discussions.
I appreciate everybody's input,and for those having emailed:Thank you,the least we can do is show the Biennale that there is a lot of people that find an exhibition with animals,(no matter if they are dead or alive),very immoral,and in our eyes this is not art.
In my eyes this shows a lack of respect to creatures.The body of both living and dead human/ animal being deserves respect.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 11:41 am
This is disgusting. It is just a person who is into torture and looking for a reason to do it or get away with it.
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 11:44 am
From what I understand just now,several comments have been removed.
I most certainly do not appreciate Care2 removing comments,and people being monitored.
We are all adults,I believe in freedom of speech,and sorry to say so,but this kind of censor just is not right.
 

Hans L (958)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:06 pm
Trudi you are right as far as the deletes concern without we knowing what they delete obviously Daphne had posted and everyhting has beem removed...
But also my posts...if they delete this one i will send Arnie a message that
Care2 in his sunshinestate realy sucks because of the censorship!
I dont accept that anyone calls all the people who have commmented above a animal fascist train ! We should be able to say what we want as long as we follow the rules i did..i have never been attacking anybody! On the contrary...i try to spread love and understanding! I can proof that with many mails that i receive from people on the comments that i write!

They delete too much i am out CIAO! CARE2 sucks!
 

Victoria Chapman (53)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:06 pm
Noted, read article as well as posts and definitely need to cool down and find some sense of level headedness before I even attempt to generate any correspondence to all the wonderful organizations listed here as well as a few others to research. I am not only outraged, but absolutely mortified that this exhibit even exists, let alone visited and profited by those who participate in one way or another. Thank you Trudi for posting.
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:19 pm
These people's comments were removed by Care2:
Beautiful D--.Susie H.--Jaime S--.Johann Z.-- Danielle L.--Just C.--Jodi S B--.Rose B.--ELGIN LEE B.--Patti R.--FreeSpirit R--.Natalie B.-- LL A.--Hans L.--Bette M.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION!!!
 

Carole S (338)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:23 pm

WUT????

I didn't even receive a notice!
 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:30 pm
All I know is my post was deleted because of its content, I guess I should have thought before I spoke, but I am with Hans...I am sick of Care2's way of operating things here, so I am thinking of leaving also. I do not need to be told that my words are wrong, I am an adult, I used no profanity, just spoke the truth, I did not attack, just spoke my truth...

I thank you all for caring so much about the topic expressed here that Trudi was kind enough to share with us all and I think she did an excellent job.

Blessings to all, may you all know the Great Spirit in your lives...
FreeSpirit...
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:32 pm
ll.a
very well spoken and expressed very eloquently spoken with acute insight.
No, it is not art
of course it is not art for that matter we can hang a human dead body like that and call it art
we all know that
the play on peoples perverted tastes is obvious. volumes do not need to be written orexplained or proved . either you get this is unnaceptable o ryou do not. and again if one wishe sto reveal to the public the incessant murder of animals one can arrange a tour to an abbatoir and call that art
we can have snuff films too sexual snuff films cannabalism as well and call that art
it is essential in the sphere we live in to establish codes of ethics because many human beings are without a doubt not only sadistic and perverse but alos unfortunately ablivious to any kind of sensitivity this is not a matter of good taste
far from it
good tatse would be to have brochures made of a tour to an abbatoir if one had any sympathy for the animals . this is nothing but pandering to
the sick glamour of controversy. whether the horse died or not from natural causes is dead will be dead or any some such
if you dont get that
then please do not call people names
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:36 pm
i am utterly perplexed ........isnt the thread in effect calling for censorship of some people ........but when it happens to us people become angry ..and feel silenced .....can we have it both ways .........
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 12:51 pm
Elgin,I thought I was clear in the comments I submitted.I am asking for awareness,not for censorship.
Please read my comment added today 10:10 am:
(The reason I submitted this article,is because I would like people to reflect on the matter, share their opinion,here and with those involved in the Biennale in Sydney, create awareness about what's acceptable.(Specially the artists)
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:02 pm
trudi again not directed toward you ....MANY ON HERE have called for the work to be removed .........many have said to close it down .........many have told me to stop and go away ......classified me as a troll a flamer ......tried to debase me ........ ITS CALLED GANGING AND IT IS MEANT AS A FORM A CENSORSHIP ...........not you TRUDI but others ......
 

Carole S (338)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:02 pm

Unreal.

It's obvious that there is some very one-sided censorship going on here. What is the point of an ongoing dialogue when half the comments are removed, making the responses to them nonsensical?
 

Kurt and Gail Meyer (14)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:25 pm
Artists lacking talent often resort to sick sensationalism. We see it in all areas of media and artistic expression. So sad that desperate people do such desparate things.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:32 pm
Censorship sucks!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:33 pm
This is the END of CARE2! For many of us here i swear! You cannot delete comments and accept that the stupid sheeps will follow!
They will leave!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:39 pm
Just C you live in america you are used to censorship! But enough is enough!
The way Care2 has deleted comments is impossible and inaceptable! We should all protest by closing down our profiles until Care2 appologizes!
Censorship like China nothing else the ZENSUR group tells you what Care2 is all about!
 

Carole S (338)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:42 pm

No, I don't accept censorship.

What bothers me most about this situation is that "certain people" become offended when they are responded to in kind; report those comments; and the censors only act on those remarks, without consideration for the comments made by the reporting party -- which are no better in many cases.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:44 pm
Trudy if you are serious about the animals like Daphne and i feel you are you cannot accept this censorship! Fight for the animals fight for freedom!
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:56 pm
Johann,I hate to say so,but this is a deja vu.I most certainly understand your thought about closing down our profiles,but we have too many things going on on this site.Animal rights,human rights.And for me,this is the best way to reach a lot of people for the causes we believe in, here on Care2.
Just hope there is a way to convince Care2 that censorship is very,very wrong,and it pushes the real activists towards the decision to leave.
 

. (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 1:56 pm
Thank you Johann Z. could not have put it any better. Just because I have very strong feeling for animals and yes I cryed when I seen this and made me angry, and then people can say its art NO NO NO I can not except that. You respect the dead I don't care what it is. I was born and raised this way. I have a heart too you know. Thinking about it real hard right now too. Stupid people saying they love animals and at the same time can say they go for something like this oh no this is not a real animal activest. Get you stired up and get you in trouble and then they sit back and laugh. Laugh as you will but I take nothing back.
 

CareTwo Support (520)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 2:01 pm
Hello,

Yes I have removed comments. If you could post without violating our Code of Conduct and Flaming each other this would not be required. Unfortunately, we are just not there yet. Please remember to treat each other as you wish to be treated and I will not have to continue to monitor this discussion.
 

Carole S (338)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 2:06 pm

Another form of censorship. Intimidate the posters to silence them.
 

Joyce C (17)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 4:04 pm
I thought that care2 was a forum for expressing opinions and discussing issues? Banding together to get things done. In any forum or any discussions there will always be those who inflame and those who will not look at things from both sides. I do not think that things and people should be censored unless of course threats are made, and those should not be tolerated. It is already insane that there is so much censorship in our media, how are others to take into account both sides of an issue if only one is presented?
 

Danielle L (146)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 4:31 pm
As if the fight wasn't hard enough...let's just get back to saving living animals & feel good for a few days. We need a break from this moot crap.
 

Karin Simpson (2)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 5:19 pm
This turned my stomach... it's digusting!
 

veronique P (2)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 5:26 pm
Who is more ignorant and twisted, the person that did this and decided it's art or the people that actually go see this crap!
 

Dawn Flicker (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 5:44 pm
Jesus Christ!
This is absolutely sick, but a great example of how debased society has become!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 6:19 pm
Ive seen what art is, how its expressed and what people see of it. To the artist it is a window into their mind, it has no bounds, and people are facinated by it, and some disgusted by it. Because of "art" some people really like to show their thoughts and yes there are extreme lengths they go to. The artist does not see anything but his/her thoughts expressed through the medium they use. Ive seen the odd one with pieces of fabrics and pig intestines as an example, not very nice, but the artist does not see this, they are in their own imagination. Sounds alot like some unpleasant scum out there. To argue with such artists is like trying to talk common sense into a vivisector, they just will not listen. They only care for their own ideas.
 

. (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 6:29 pm
I do treat people with respect but I don't like people telling me I'm not an animal activest when that all my heart is, Wonder how many times whoever has weeped over petitions or pictures, but I can't say kiss my ass thats pretty bad and I know I got flagged but its ok it doesn't matter for I will stand firmley on this art thing and not move on it, for even you have to agree its sick shit. And I will treat people with respect when I'm treated the same way, but I won't be treated like a child, I have a right to speak on behalf of this piece of crap art dead animals work. I wish this person would who does this art work would cut his own head off and have it mounted to the wall so everyone could come and see the famouse man who had the dead hanging horse head hanging on the wal!!
 

. (0)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 7:27 pm
Daphne is not here but, I hear from her today she does stay in contact with care 2 and see's all thats going on, and knows what was said, you don't want to know what was said on the smart remark you gave for believe me she would rip your hide off and burn it. I can't say to who but she or he knows, you sweet little angles you are.This is it for me I'm out of here for good.
 

Robert Redmon (128)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 8:43 pm
Noted, terribile and almost threw up, thanks Trudi + Brenda & Charles for the forwards.
 

Sunil Srinath (1)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 10:56 pm
it is really sickening to see such things happen... and that too in the name of art.... some times you are left to ponder over the fact that are humans really humans or are they just a ugly compilation of all beastly qualities ...

however it is nice to see so many coming out with responses like these .. they are perhaps the reason why mankind is still mankind ...

thanks trudy... and thanks all for your responses...
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Thursday June 19, 2008, 11:38 pm
Conclusion:Whatever you create and than call it ART(no matter how cruel,dusgusting or how immoral) is uncensored.
So from now on could we treat comments the way ART is treated,and let that be uncensored as well?
Only than we can have a realistic view on a discussion in comments.
I thank everybody for expressing their feelings,and regret that so many comments were removed by Care2,and so many feelings were hurt.
As for me,this is my last comment here on this topic,and I will keep on fighting for the voiceless.
 

Hans L (958)
Friday June 20, 2008, 12:59 am
Why can Care2 delete as they like? Without sending a message of what has been deleted?
 

Darlene K (356)
Friday June 20, 2008, 1:03 am
Of course this is horrid..., humanity is in chaos, and some individuals are in chaos within themselves..., so all will perceive ART as what they consider it to be....

With that acknowledged..., the "Oneness" of All of Life..., and the way of the future for mankind is not of that essence that I read or saw in this article. It is merely an individual's perception of Art, and in my opinion, a very skewed perception. As with anything there is Good and Evil, Light and Dark..., and this would apply in ART, too. Sickenly as it might be.

However, this type of ART, is of the old paradigm thought patterns. One can be relieved by this inspiration. A great change is on the horizon for mankind, and it will be a wonderful event of awe...
Noted and thank you Trudi.
 

Nuraini A (41)
Friday June 20, 2008, 1:45 am
depends, need a definition of 'art' first. but even if it is 'art', the question is, is all art always good and permissible? or should it be subject to ethical considerations the same as other human endeavours?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 2:20 am
DEAR FRIENDS AND ALL OF YOU WHO TRACK NOT ONLY THIS STORY , BUT ALL ABOUT ANIMAL WELFARE, LET ME SAY THAT OUR MOST ACTIVE MEMBERS HERE, WHO PASSIONATELY FIGHT FOR ANIMALS AND AGAINST HUMAN CRUELTY TOWARDS THEM (TRUDY, HANS, JOHAN, GIOVANNI, AND PERHAPS SOME OTHERS I DO NOT KNOW YET) ARE BEING CRITICIZED AND ACCUSED FOR WRONG AND AGRESIVE APPROACH AND AS USING TO HARD AND OFFENSIVE WORDS.PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT ZENSUR GROUP. THANK YOU!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 2:35 am
Forgive me for asking but aren't we all adults here? When you have this many people in a discussion, you are bound to get disagreements and say things you might not ordinarily say. However, I would like to ask Care 2 support just what is the Code of Conduct and what is "Flaming"? That is a new one on me. I have commented in major newpapers all over this country and never once has a comment been removed and believe me I have said plenty of things people could take offense by. This censorship by faceless nameless people is very aggrivating to me although I have not been subjected to it yet, I have stood by and with the people who have been suspended. I have always heard this saying "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen". No one has to post a comment, you can just note a story as I have done many times. I am really stunned that people take offense over a comment that they don't agree with.I wish someone would explain it to me.We are guaranteed freedom of speech by the lst ammendment of the Constitution and yet Care 2 decides who can say what to whom.Frankly, I just don't get it. Am I out of touch?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 3:30 am
Please, visit, comment, or eventually join. thank you!

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=17856&pst=890120
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 3:32 am
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/Zensur

This is correct link, sorry!
 

Sheila G (267)
Friday June 20, 2008, 4:22 am
this is complete abuse of the body! this is not appropriate to do to humans, so why animals? just as awful as trophy hunters mounting heads, this is just too sick!
TY Trudi
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 4:37 am
This type of so called art is all about politics.
 

Ruth S (78)
Friday June 20, 2008, 5:02 am
THIS IS NOT ART!!!!!!
This is an outrage.
This is perverse.
This is cruel.
This is sickening, disturbing.
 

Ester Hellen (213)
Friday June 20, 2008, 6:12 am
emails are send,am following this...
 

JustaHuman Here (53)
Friday June 20, 2008, 6:21 am
I know that there is nothing that is not impossible for them anymore. We need to destroy their language.... ==> a text from the old gospel of the bible. So the Gods stopped the bad doing of the humans. Today no perversion, cruelty, abuse etc has any limit for this human race anymore. What do you think what is gonna happen?
 

Manuel Duarte (1005)
Friday June 20, 2008, 6:40 am
Thanks Lorraine!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 6:49 am
Sorry to disapoint you all but as soon as this is in a art exhibition it is art! Even a piece of shit can be art! Some people even eat shit as a form of art! Like meatloaf did...DISGUSTING!
All in all, the creative act is not performed by the artist alone.. the spectator brings the work in contact with the external world by deciphering and interpreting its inner qualifications and thus adds his contribution to the creative act. The Question should be do we want to see this!
Some people do but thank god 99% dont want to see this in Sydney 250.000 people will see this and ask them self.....WTF
The Biennale management should be punished for this but the more publicity the better the exhibition! Even if it is bad publicity! Write the sponsors!
If this is normal than i am glad that i am not normal!
I agree with many of you and would wish that Care2 could stop deleting comments without notice! Activists have a right to hear what they have done! Animal activists are no criminials and should be treated with respect!
This is an outrage.
This is perverse.
This is cruel.
This is sickening

Am i talking about this ART or about the censorship? Both its both sickening!




If you dont agree write to the people that Johann has listed!
 

Laura R (29)
Friday June 20, 2008, 7:01 am
I majored in Fine Arts and have a pretty fair amount of Art History under my old belt....I understand the comments about Art not always being pretty, and can even stretch my mind to almost understand the concept of wanting to memorialize a beloved horse in some manner in art.

However, do we have artists who are skinning or stuffing HUMANS that they loved? What's next...your baby dies and so you have it stuffed and mounted in some manner that portrays the agony the child may have faced in its final moments and the ripping out of your heart at the loss you have suffered? WOULD THAT BE ART? I'm almost sure an innovative artist could do a piece that would accurately show the complete loss, devastation and utter pain that a parent who has lost their child would feel...and perhaps such a piece would BE ART...I think it well could be...but in WHAT FORM is it appropriate to take one's creative representation to?

I just cannot accept THIS...let alone the killing of an animal, such as the chicken piece...as being an ACCEPTABLE or fully morally justifiable form to express one's artistic nature....it's not working for me at all.

NO...the world...and art is not always "pretty" or beautiful...but there are limits, or should be....and there are OTHER WAYS, other art forms in which to make THESE STATEMENTS...besides what has been offered by these artists.

Noted and contacted as was needed!
 

Bill C (353)
Friday June 20, 2008, 7:05 am
Without commenting on what Art is or is not there is one thing you can't deny and that is the artist got exactly what they wanted. They got their exhibit commented on, people writing letters and they got this thread which since it is "hot" and today is Friday it will be sent out to millions of Care2 members furthering the artists intent to be recognized, this time through C2C news thanks to Note it. The attention in the art community will make the artist exhibits controversial thus drawing more attention and revenue.

The artist could not pay enough to get public attention like this, I would say the artist is thankful for your help.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 7:55 am
Lol, I think Bill is so right!1 I wrote something similar in one of my previous comment...
 

Dusty K (1339)
Friday June 20, 2008, 8:36 am
It is hard enough to get a modern hominid, steeped in consumer mentality, to see anything at all as other than a commodity. If we can not even see that people are people, how are we to see that animals are people? It is a strange choice we have made, to live in a world of dead possessions, shrink wrapped and stockpiled and approved for harvest. Homo proprietus is the only protein that feels itself excellent enough to own other proteins.
Not art ~ emails sent. Thanks Trudi!
 

Marena Chen (200)
Friday June 20, 2008, 11:34 am
If the Artist had used a Human corpse he could be charged with Cadaver abuse - I think the same should apply to animal corpse (carcass) abuse. I don't see the difference. A corpse is a corpse and noone should have the right to abuse it.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 11:47 am
My dear Marena, it has already happen, human bodies have been already used for that. See my comment above!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 11:57 am
Who did receive any answer from Australia?
I guess that they must have received up to 100 mails.....
So maybe somebody who has written more polite could have received
an answer....or explanation about this art!
 

Danielle L (146)
Friday June 20, 2008, 12:10 pm
Um..where's Hans? Did he leave because of this censorship crap?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 12:13 pm
Lol, it seems we all read title and perhaps last comment. I wrote about Hans and also Trudi, and where can get information about them. Just look a little..above in previous comments.
Have a nice weekend people..I have spent two days here..lol..need some break..Love you all..who are capable of love
 

Danielle L (146)
Friday June 20, 2008, 12:21 pm
oops.i seemed to have missed that 1 thx.
 

Hans L (958)
Friday June 20, 2008, 12:36 pm
Here i am!
I love to see hot discussions! sometimes i feel that 90% of the Care2 members are in coma! I have been studying the animal activists case with Amnesty international today and it would be great if we could support the animal activists! It seems that they cannot hold them in prison since they have not been accused!
This is why they should be released! art 5 .2
Everyone who is arrested shall be informed promptly, in a language which he understands, of the reasons for his arrest and the charge against him.
No charges no more prison...only the fact that they opperate like BUSH did in Guantanamo they are still in prison but how will these idiots get away with this? They are not charged because they did nothing illegal!

Amnesty International ist besorgt über Informationen von Seiten der RechtsvertreterInnen, wonach die
Akteneinsicht in einem Umfang beschränkt wurde, sodass selbst zum dringenden Tatverdacht und Haftgrund
keine konkreten Informationen vorliegen und den Rechtsbeiständen damit die zur Verteidigung und
Hinterfragung der Untersuchungshaft notwendigen Informationen vorenthalten werden.
Amnesty International weist darauf hin, dass gemäß Artikel 5 Abs. 2 der Europäischen
Menschenrechtskonvention jeder Festgenommene unverzüglich über die Gründe seiner Festnahme und über
die gegen ihn erhobenen Beschuldigungen unterrichtet werden muss. Gemäß § 51 Abs. 2 letzter Satz StPO ist
eine Beschränkung der Akteneinsicht solcher Aktenstücke ab Verhängung der Untersuchungshaft unzulässig,
die der Beschuldigte benötigt, um Tatverdacht und Haftgründe im Wege einer Beschwerde bekämpfen zu
können.
 

charles mclachlan (1677)
Friday June 20, 2008, 1:41 pm
hi who ever says this is art is sick in the fn head. thanks trudi.
 

Cheryl B (60)
Friday June 20, 2008, 2:36 pm
THE FACTS.
I was as shocked as anybody when I first saw this provocative picture, but after reading the article thoroughly the facts are, the video of the chicken being decapitated was shot in the 1970's, the other exhibit is from the 1960's so who knows how long that poor horse has been "preserved"? The RSPCA inspected the premises, there is no animal cruelty happening..
MY OPINION (for what it's worth) This spectacle is being held in a derelict building (which seems most appropriate) and is the product of a group of perverted individuals in a pathetic attempt to gain notoriety and shows a complete lack of respect and dignity that normal people would expect from an "art" exhibit,
I have sent this article to a number of current affair programs, but I wonder if that's not exactly what they want..?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 3:44 pm
THIS IS LETTRE JUST RECIEVED FROM WSPA I WROTE ABOUT THIS MATTER TO THEM
Dear Ms. Dalle,



Thank you for sending us the link to this article. I have forwarded it to our office in Australia, and will remain in touch with them. As of now, WSPA has not released any sort of statement regarding this incident, but I will certainly keep you updated. I would also recommend getting in touch with the RSPCA, since they were group originally contacted about the cruelty.



Thanks again for contacting WSPA and for your compassion for animals.



Regards,



Lora Adomeit

Supporter Services

World Society for the Protection of Animals (WSPA)

Lincoln Plaza

89 South St., Suite 201

Boston, MA 02111

617-896-9237 (direct)

800.883.9772

ladomeit@wspausa.org

www.wspa-usa.org

This email is from the World Society for the Protection of Animals and may contain
information that is privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure.
Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not
necessarily represent those of any other party.



From: wspa@wspausa.org [mailto:wspa@wspausa.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:13 AM
To: WSPA General
Subject: Submission from General Inquiry
 

. (0)
Friday June 20, 2008, 6:21 pm
Elgin..this isn't "Art". Anyone who is a self-mutilater has serious problems. Now, if anyone wants to go an art gallery and put themselves on display while they hack themselves up, is fine with me. I'm pretty open-minded, but stay away from displaying torture of animals or people. Unless this exhibit is to comment on the mental state of humanity, it has no purpose at all.

Most of the people that attend these functions have all the depth of a demi-tasse spoon. They can't think for themselves. They run drooling to the latest "hot" exhibit waiving their cheque books. It's pathetic. I quit going long ago.



 

Sharon Ross (216)
Friday June 20, 2008, 8:53 pm
OMG!! This is disgraceful! & how on earth can they call this art?? Shocking!! Noted & email sent, thank you Trudi.
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 6:56 am
SHERRI .....the work by mike parr from, my understanding is about the state of man and his mental state but the piece with the chicken is from 1970 and is about as i stated earlier the injustices he saw .

I AGAIN NEVER SAID I LIKE IT never said i fully understand it .....BUT THWE QUESTION WAS IS IT ART .....and unfortunatley it is
 

Hans L (958)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 7:08 am
Trudi wat een wijsneus he? Wat doe je nou met zulke gasten?
Maar hij heeft wel gelijk het is kunst wij houden er niet van en er zijn hier een aantal personen die niet alleen hier een comment afgegeven hebben maar ook actie ondernomen hebben! De sponsoren zijn degene die we moeten pakken die trut van de Biennale is te stom om te begrijpen wat we willen maar ik geloof niet dat een PWC blij is met negatieve publicity!
De Biennale wel die zijn blij want hoe meer kritiek hoe beter de kunst!
Johann is geschorst vanwege dit XXXartikel en zal niet meer terug komen maar zijn post met de sponsoren wil ik hier toch nog even naar beneden halen
Thank you Trudi! No this is no art! DIES IST EINE SCHWEINEREI SONST NICHTS!
We should write to the partners of the Biennale since both Marah Braye and Carolyn Christov-Bakargiev agree that this is art! Seems that without these kind of things they would not attract 250.000 visitors..if you look at the range of locations the number of people needed for this Biennale 2008 than you know that MILLIONS OF AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS are WASTED on THIS BULLSHIT !
Dies ist nicht nur eine Schweinerei sondern auch echt SCHEISSE!
Transfield is one of the main sponsors of this Bullshit!

stephen.bradley@transfield.com.au

So is JC Decaux
sydney@jcdecaux.com.au

PricewaterhouseCoopers
lisa.jervis@au.pwc.com Lisa Jervis is the communication director
sponsorship@au.pwc.com
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“Helping to ensure the ongoing health of our communities’ business, social, sporting and cultural lives is an important part of PricewaterhouseCoopers commitment to the worlds in which we live and work. This is why we choose to sponsor Australia’s premier international art festival - The Biennale of Sydney – an event that lives our values of teamwork, excellence and leadership.

PwC is exceptionally proud to be a major partner of The Biennale of Sydney which showcases Australian ingenuity, creativity and professionalism.”

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Past Member (0)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 8:30 am
Elgin......Fortunately almost no one sees this as art.......

A fool sees not the same
tree that a wise man sees.
William Blake "Proverbs of Hell" (1790)

Plant trees for survival......For life.......
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 9:10 am
I guess guys art IS in eyes of the beholder.....and we are not beholden...LOL Elgin yes it is art I guess but in a very sick form to most of us here. I have sat here for two days trying to see art in the horse and if I were to somewhat get past that wall of horror I would see sadness, emptyness, or persay life hanging by a thread...My mind will not allow me to justify this in any means but I have honestly tried to look at it as a peice of art to which I just cant. I know Elgin what your trying to get across yes in some parts of this marcabe world this would be considered art how or why you ask I have nooooooooo clue. Oh and I cant wait for the next one to come out...whats gonna be next??? We have dead humans on display (Ewwwwwwwww) now my beloved ponies so what next???

Big Gorilly Hugs
 

Danielle L (146)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 9:29 am
The only thing we can do at this point is fight for what we think is right, on an individual level or choose to work as a group.. We each know how far we are willing to go. Some will go only as far as this thread..while others have and will fight for change. It is up to us to police our own actions, do what we deem fit. Every day we have to wake up with the thought that "I can help save the world today", and then ACT on it. Arguments are helpful as they show us just where people stand on the issues. We need to either embrace each other, or learn more about what you don't want to be.
I say it's not art..some say it is. Whatever...all I REALLY care about is that there are people in this world who probably have never been treated like humans & they would never DREAM of hurting animals, yet they r treated as dogs and rats... We are erradicating our 1 & ONLY chance of survival..(EaRtH) for $$, and animals are DYING by the millions for nothing more than NONSENSE. Yet we fight & argue like we will never have to care if the other person is hurt..I think we need to combine our anger, work together & reallY PUT IT TO THEM. WHOEVER THEY MAY BE. There are enough Enemies of animals & Earth out there. Let's not fight each other.
 

TwistedPixie R (31)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 11:36 am
Art takes talent and I see no talent in these displays!!!
 

Hans L (958)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 12:03 pm
This is the woman who is responsable for this Biennale
http://www.bos2008.com/images/staff/carolyn-christov-bakargiev-.jpg
Read what she has to tell us:
Christov-Bakargiev will be 'using a terrorist tactic' to create a different atmosphere for her biennale and why?
the Biennale Syndrome. Her use of the word syndrome deliberately evokes connotations of disease, but it also references the Stendhal Syndrome, which as she explains, 'means a kind of a collapse because of an excess of aesthetic experience.'[2] For Christov-Bakargiev, 'In a world where there are 104 biennales, if not more, we are near a kind of collapse (due to the) over-presence, the over-visibility of art. It's not about an excess of existence of art in the world, as a natural human impulse, but it is about the circulation of art, and the exhibition of art.'
I have written her and i will not give up until i receive messages from the sponsors before the other 104 Biennales will also try to find ways to
expose animals in this way...disgusting nothing but disgusting!
 

Danielle L (146)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 12:13 pm
Tha Hans for the link!
I went to it, but wouldnt go thru...so tried

http://www.bos2008.com
can find it that way!
 

. (0)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 3:50 pm
Elgin, this exhibit is not art in any sense of the word.

If anyone wants to show the inhumanity of man, use a camera and plaster the walls of the gallery. If you're a good enough photographer, you can bring people to their knees. No one ever should use and/or abuse animals or people in their quest for fame.

These new 'artists' that are crawling out of their hell-holes have no talent, no worth. Gallery owners that would even consider showing this garbage are depraved, not exciting and innovative.

People need to check out real art galleries and museums. All the Great Masters are there. All the beauty of antiquity at the museums. It takes your breath away!
 

Pauline F (16)
Saturday June 21, 2008, 7:14 pm
Noted and signed. Australian art censorship sucks!
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Sunday June 22, 2008, 1:42 am
SHERRI i agree whole with the idea one does not need to do what these artist have done ..to show case the inhumanity of the world in which we live ...i am actually studing the masters and the injustice that surrounds many is just as bad .but they did not have our mind-sit

mike parr from all the reading i just did no the man has not since 1970 done works like this .



STEPHANIE as always a pleasure ..



 

. (0)
Sunday June 22, 2008, 8:27 am
last word not lol!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 22, 2008, 4:23 pm
noted and thanks for bringing this to my attention. OMG!!!!!!! This is not art. i do not care what anyone thinks, to me this is not a realistic idea for us to believe this is some form of art and that it is basically a tribute to this animal. IT IS NOT!!!!! If they wanted to do a tribute or an art exhibit about the horse then they should have used pictures NOT the animal itself. this to me is a cruel use of the poor horse's body and most people will not understand why they even thought it could be art, and lets not forget the kids who go see this how will anyone explain it to a child that the horse was already dead when it was hung from the ceiling???? hummmm????? you cannot, they will only see this poor horse hanging from the ceiling and thinking that is what killed it. this is BAD ART AND IN BAD TASTE. I am glad i am not able to go to this place or i would cut the poor animal down and give it a good burial like it deserves. I hope the spirit of this horse haunts the people who has done this to him for life and then maybe they will think twice before they do this to another being.
 

Michele DiGiorgi (320)
Monday June 23, 2008, 4:23 am
Just a share, in case anyone would like to know, I received an answer from one of the many places I have written to, "Animal Advocates" this is their response:


Dear Michele,

Many thanks for contacting us and for the information below regarding the perverse ‘art’ exhibition at the Museum of Contemporary Art. Advocates for Animals campaigns against the use of animals in sport and entertainment and is shocked to hear that such things are approved and installed in a public venue and viewed as ‘art’. While we would support any campaign to demand an investigation into the death of the horse and the manner in which it was selected to be used in the exhibition, sadly we are not in a position to conduct such an investigation ourselves. We are a relatively small organisation based in Edinburgh, Scotland and we have limited staff and finances to take on additional campaigns. I would highly recommend contacting various Australian organisations who may be in a more appropriate position to help.


Please see the following link for the most comprehensive list of Australian animal organisations:

http://worldanimalnet.org/new.asp?co=AUSTRALIA&geo=oc&prov=&cat=


Wishing you all the best,

Kindest regards,


Barbra Stuart
Office Assistant

Advocates for Animals
10 Queensferry Street
Edinburgh
EH2 4PG
T: +44 (0) 131 225 6039
F: +44 (9) 131 220 6377
www.advocatesforanimals.org

So, folks that believe this is not a form of art, we do not stand only in our beliefs..I will writing to the site they provided in the letter also.

One love, One heart...Spread the love, not the hate.
Peace,
FreeSpiritRunning...






 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Monday June 23, 2008, 7:58 am
Thank you Free Spirit R.for sharing the letter with addresses.
 

Jennifer H (41)
Tuesday June 24, 2008, 6:32 am

Degrading the poor animal in this way is not, in my opinion, art - thought provoking it is but not everything that is thought provoking is art even if some (true) art is thought provoking. Art can be beautiful and horses are beautiful creatures but death is not beautiful for the animal/person who has died or for the grieving. It is plainly sick but what worries me is how this exhibition can be allowed to be shown and who would want to see it? This is a step backwards for society not forwards.
 

Jennifer H (41)
Tuesday June 24, 2008, 8:06 am
For all concerned
I had a quick reply to my email from Stephen Bradley.

"Thank you Jenny. I agree it is challenging, but it is the idea that is difficult, not the reality of the piece. The horse did not suffer, was not the subject of cruelty. It exists now to remind us of how little we have evolved, how immune we are to sights of cruelty, how dumbed down we are, how compassionless. Your response is one of compassion and therefore the work has worked.
Stephen"
 

. (0)
Thursday June 26, 2008, 7:19 pm
I agree Jan 100% its not art but a sick person in the head or anybody that would even think this is art is sick. This person that does this needs to be lock up and put away where he can't ever do something like this again. Then taking chickens and killing them and cuting them up for art, I would not stand tere and watch this I would no doubt in my mind go to jail!! for I would be yelling at the top of my voice and trying my best to get to this pervert. And if they didn't stop me believe you me I would. He's a mere morses and so are the people who pay to go and what and look at things such as this. its blood money and greed. NOT ART!!!
 

Barbara Whelan (6)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 7:27 am
Well it shows them for what they truly are sickos is for the want of a better name and any body who views that kinda stuff are the same. They should not have been allowed to do that to those animals. Who would want to watch that stuff they are like the mad scientists who do the same to animals in the name of so called science and for the better of people they should all be sent to hell
 

Glo B (85)
Friday July 18, 2008, 9:23 am
What The...OMG What is WRONG with People..They are not people!!!
 

Mick Gill (119)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 6:09 am
sick
 

Alice O (246)
Wednesday September 10, 2008, 3:32 pm
I don't believe it...more cases of HABACUCITIS, the same disease that the "poor artist"guillielmo vargaz contracted when he tied that stray dog on a corner to die...i wonder is it infectuous? forgive my sarcasm, I can get a real bitch when I see things like this...If anybody wants to see the worst side of me please contact me and I will send you the letter I just sent. Let's say I have been giving out shit to them but being polite ;) now, boy, that's ART!XD I cannot really believe someone is so sick to do something like this. I guess it is much easier than painting on a canvas or on any other material, so it doesn't take any skills or intelligence from the "artist" side....just some insanity XD
someone said art is a mirror....then get a culture and read the ancients, for art is a MIRROR OF LIFE, ART IS CREATION THEREFORE LIFE, NOT DEATH!
I have seen the guy who hung the horse from the ceiling has an italian name...I feel twice as ashamed and outraged.
 

Alice O (246)
Wednesday September 10, 2008, 3:45 pm
Princesa I have seen the website of the exposition of human corpses...that is just SO sick! I would expect anything from humans at this stage...HOW THE HECK CAN YOU EXPOSE A DEAD PREGNANT WOMAN! There is truly no respect for life left.
I'm sorry for roaring like this.
My grandfather was a painter and I paint too since a good few years. I know I am not a great artist but I love art...whoever visited venice knows of all the art held in the city...it's like a floating museum, u just go inside a church and you witness such masterpieces that you wonder how the hell did they manage to at the time, with the means they had, to give such a hue and such a light? now THAT is art. This thing is so insulting. you can't hang your dirty clothes on the wall or a piece of rotting cheese and call it art, you have serious issues if you do...no matter what it may mean to you...there's people attending schools or spending years and years practicing and trying to learn the right techniques! Murder is NOT art!
DEATH is NOT art!
ART is LIFE!
Forgive me again for using bad language and for my anger....I just sometimes wonder is there any limit to people's stupidity, and when I see things like what this article is about, i can almost get an answer :(
 

Cherry M (136)
Saturday June 18, 2011, 5:59 pm
Sent a letter.....told them just how disgusting and degrading this is. Disgusting and sick.......
 
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