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Israel's Latest Murder of Humanitarian Activists: People of the U.S. and the World Must End Israeli Impunity Now!


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Dave
- 3037 days ago - dissidentvoice.org
Cynthia McKinney Mourns the Dead of the Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. . .



   

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Mack David (100)
Monday May 31, 2010, 8:54 am
N@T
 

Yvonne Mendes Siblini (218)
Monday May 31, 2010, 8:55 am
This must happen ASAP
 

Sam H (410)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:33 am
Was following this all night long. The news just made me sick to my stomach.

The latest count I'm hearing is 19 murdered peace activists.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:38 am
How much more despicable can they get? For God's sake, these are peaceful, UNARMED civilians!
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:39 am
Finally, a friend just sent a message to me saying that the Israelis had lost their minds. Sadly, based on the past, the Israelis could very well conclude that they can do anything–imprison me for trying to take love to the children of Gaza and kill humanitarian activists trying to do the same–because they know, in the end, they’ll get away with it. Instead, I would suggest that we are the ones who have lost our minds, our souls, our spirits, and our human dignity if we allow the Israelis to get away with murder–again–and we do nothing.
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Ms McKinney has said it all.
Unbelievably, the Zionists have
once again out-Nazi'd the Nazis.
We all know that violence begets violence,
and the violence that will be visited upon Israel
for this murderous attack will be unimaginable.
It is my sincere hope that, as a result of this,
every nation with the backbone for it will sever all diplomatic
and trade ties with Israel, beginning with the United States;
that people will (at last) STOP seeing Israel as "God's chosen
people", which they most assuredly are NOT!; that Netanyahu
and members of his government will be brought before the Intl.
Criminal Court on charges of genocide, war crimes and crimes
against humanity; and that they will "hang by the neck until dead".

 

. (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:52 am
"We all know that violence begets violence,"

And when those "peaceful" activists attacked the IDF with knives, metal bats and pistols taken from the soldiers they should have known that the Israelis would respond as they always do; with swift overwhelming forces.
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:58 am
Always count on Ralph Sutton to
chime in, believing the Israeli propaganda.
Who in their right mind would want to get
into hand-to-hand combat with the IDF?
And, by the way, how did the activists
manage to get ahold of weapons being
carried by the IDF soldiers?
Who boarded who's ship in international waters?
The Israeli navy boarded the flotilla ships first,
so if the activists were stupid enough to grab weapons
off the soldiers (which I doubt severly), then it sounds to me
like a case of self-defense.
Please, engage brain before operating mouth,
and go away, Ralph;
You're slightly out-numbered at the moment.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday May 31, 2010, 10:05 am
When I asked, "How much more despicable can they get," I didn't expect to get an answer so soon.

Have you heard how Israel is justifying the murder of these peace activists? It's like murdering them twice.

Well, if there is no decency in Israel, let's hope the rest of the world has higher moral standards.
 

Casey Reed (44)
Monday May 31, 2010, 10:10 am
Patriotism is a mental illusion that divides and dehumanizes. No religious grounds for cultural divisions would be a step each individual could take psychologically to end these culture wars. How is peace possible when we can't even recognize myths are shaping our identity?

The Romans and Greeks did this for centuries, as did the Egyptians and Chinese. Name one country that didn't stake out their territory by pissing religious beliefs on their boarders and saying those who don't believe are infidels and going to hell, so we can mass murder them in wars? Every human culture does this. Every animal species has territories and defends them. This is materialism not patriotism.

Patriotism is the inability for humans to see we are all one species and our conflicts are based on mythologies and false identities.
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday May 31, 2010, 10:14 am
Bravo, Casey Reed!
Patriotism is born of nationalism,
and ultimately leads to all wars.

In light of Israel's latest atrocity,
now is the time for us to see that we are
One People, One Planet, and to realize that
we are all children of the same God.
Peace to all.
 

. (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 10:29 am
noted~ Thanks Dave!!
 

Casey Reed (44)
Monday May 31, 2010, 10:31 am
When I studied ethnology for my Anthropology degree, I found every religious "god" to be valid. Validity is the quality that makes it believable, to the believer. But what of reality? Does the tree fall if we do not see it fall? NO!

Our perception is the problem with "god." Avatar is a perfect example of the power of belief. If we see an ideal world and believe in an "interconnectedness" we can live in harmony with everything. On the other hand, if we see things as god driven or created and if you are not in favor or good standing with the deity, you are evil and condemned to hell=hate.

Who is more damaged with this god hate? The hater or the hated are both damaged from this god pathology. We can not live in harmony if we are biologically, religiously, and materialistically dividing our populations. Class to race and religion make up the criteria that we use to mass murder people historically.

These criteria are species centric or every species does this based on their biology to secure their own gene pool. That means I am god and you are not if we are to compete for the same territory, food, or females. This materialism to become richer, control more land, control more population is to secure my genes because I am god or god blesses me is a myth. This materialism is biologically generated in every species and we humans are too ARROGANT to see we are just stupid high tech animals that are mass murdering each other to perpetuate our political, religious, and personal mythologies.

Peace is objectivity in the face of ethnocentrism that dismisses mythology and makes US aware of our biological drives. Rape is the biological drive to have sex, but we know it is so we control ourselves, for the most part. Rape still happens when power needs to be expressed over another person and sex is the medium, but it is power to control another that is really rape. What is war if not a distorted belief or mythology that control justifies the mass murder and destruction. War is the continued denial of our animal drives, our religious mythology based on alpha male drives, and our territorial drives based on our materialism that is derived from our need to secure our own gene pool.

We are genetically programmed materialists who will NEVER KNOW PEACE until we recognize ourselves as the biologically driven evolved Great Apes that we are.
 

Steve Howard (45)
Monday May 31, 2010, 10:48 am
There are many more stories on here other than this one about this and the Israeli attack upon the aid vessel, please look them up and note them, this needs to get out to as many people as possible.

And get VOCAL, write newspapers, call tv stations, write, call, email and fax the White House, this needs to get out to everyone in the world so even though it is in some press make sure you contact as many as you can and send some FACTS that they never tell about Israel and our support of what they are and have been doing..

News contacts:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

Send a FREE fax:

http://faxzero.com/

White House:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

Congress:

http://contactingthecongress.org/



Peace.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:14 am
 
Live coverage now of emergency meeting of UN Security:
 
Press TV
 
Another excellent source in information is:
 
Witness GAZA
 
 

Sam H (410)
Monday May 31, 2010, 12:12 pm
It's Amazing! On a day like this, these are the stories on the front page:

Mexico has big role in the illegal parrot trade
by: Maria Oniga 15 minutes ago 3 comments

21 Dennis Banks: A Good Day To Die
by: Kat Y. 20 minutes ago 3 comments

41 Demand Congressional Investigation into Puppy Mill Abuses Allowed by USDA ! TAKE ACTION !
by: Cher C. 20 minutes ago 9 comments

44 Demand Justice for Hamsters Bashed Against Table! - TAKE ACTION!
by: Maria Oniga 30 minutes ago 16 comments

46 God created monkeys, rats for experiments to benefit humans: Malaysian minister
by: Maria Oniga 30 minutes ago

Well, it's Care2 after all!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday May 31, 2010, 12:14 pm
I guess there is no place to mourn the murder of peace activists on Care2!
 

Ellyn S (48)
Monday May 31, 2010, 12:53 pm
Jewish Voice for Peace condemns Israel's attack and killing of members of the Freedom Flotilla aiming to bring much needed aid to the besieged Gaza Strip.

Before the flotilla was attacked, Yigal Palmor, an Israeli foreign ministry spokesman, said,

"If we let them throw egg at us, we appear stupid with egg on our face. If we try to prevent them by force, we appear as brutes."

Israel has more than egg on its face. Israel has blood on its hands. At least 10 passengers have been killed by Israel and about 30 wounded in international waters. This is just another deadly escalation of Israel's harsh repression of nonviolent protests against the occupation, paid with American tax-dollars.

The White House has stated that it "deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained, and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy."

This is not enough.

President Obama should call for an immediate lifting of the siege of Gaza. He should support an international and impartial investigation into the tragic killing of civilians in a humanitarian mission. And he should suspend military aid to Israel until he can assure the American public that our aid is not used to commit similar abuses.

EMERGENCY PROTESTS TODAY

Join local activist in your area... Here are some happening right now...
(Additional protests here: http://gazafreedommarch.org/cms/en/flotilla/protest.aspx)

NY: 3 PM TODAY, Times Square. Assemble at 47th St. and 7th Ave. Look for the JVP banner to join our contingent.

SAN FRANCISCO: 12noon TODAY. Israeli Consulate (456 Montgomery St.) and march to Union Square, Memorial Day. Please be there! Bring your own sign! 1 pm at Market and Powell.

DC: 3pm TODAY: Assemble at the Israeli Embassy, 3514 International Drive NW (Van Ness Metro Stop), moving to the White House at 5pm.

SEATTLE: 1:00 pm TODAY. 5th Avenue and Broad St, Seattle Center near the Experience Music Project.

MIAMI: 5pm-7pm TODAY, at Torch of Friendship (Downtown)

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday May 31, 2010, 1:01 pm
“Those Responsible Must Be Held Criminally Accountable”By Richard Falk (UN Rapporteur for Palestine)
 
This incident should serve as a wakeup call for a complicit international community. There are three political imperatives that need to emerge with a sense of urgency: condemnation of the Israeli attack and an accompanying demand for the immediate end of the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip, appropriately by a decision in the UN Security Council; an authoritative launching of an investigation of war crimes allegations against Israel by the International Criminal Court; the widest possible endorsement and strengthening of the already growing worldwide boycott, divestment, and sanctions campaign directed at Israel’s occupation policies in Palestinian Territories.
 
GENEVA – The UN Special Rapporteur for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Richard Falk, urged Monday the international community to bring to justice those responsible for the killing of some 16 unarmed peace activist, when Israeli armed commandos stormed a convoy of ships carrying aid to Gaza.
 
“Israel is guilty of shocking behavior by using deadly weapons against unarmed civilians on ships that were situated in the high seas where freedom of navigation exists, according to the law of the seas,” Mr. Falk said. “It is essential that those Israelis responsible for this lawless and murderous behavior, including political leaders who issued the orders, be held criminally accountable for their wrongful acts.”
 
There are confirmed reports of lethal interference by Israeli military units on the high seas with the Freedom Flotilla of six ships carrying some 10,000 tons of medicine, food, and building materials to the civilian population of Gaza. Preliminary reports suggest as many as 16 unarmed activists were killed, and dozens more wounded.
 
“This peaceful humanitarian initiative by citizens from 50 countries is an urgent response to the continuation of an unlawful blockade that has been maintained for almost three years causing great physical and mental harm to the whole of the 1.5 million people entrapped within Gaza,” the UN independent expert said. “Such a massive form of collective punishment is a crime against humanity, as well as a gross violation of the prohibition on collective punishment in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.”
 
“As Special Rapporteur for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, familiar with the suffering of the people of Gaza, I find this latest instance of Israeli military lawlessness to create a situation of regional and global emergency. Unless prompt and decisive action is taken to challenge the Israeli approach to Gaza all of us will be complicit in criminal policies that are challenging the survival of an entire beleaguered community.”
 
Mr. Falk urged the world community “to take urgent action in response to this flagrant flouting of international law. It is time to insist on the end of the blockade of Gaza. The worldwide campaign of boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel is now a moral and political imperative, and needs to be supported and strengthened everywhere.”
 
Richard Falk , Professor Emeritus of International Law at Princeton University and author of “Crimes of War: Iraq” and “The Costs of War: International Law, the UN, and World Order after Iraq” Also, current UN Rapporteur for Palestine.

 
ISRAEL'S ACTIONS CANNOT GO UNANSWERED!
 
Israel has used military force on the peaceful, humanitarian flotilla and murdered several unarmed civilians. This was not a confrontation, this was a massacre! 
 
The Emergency Response Plan is in effect. This includes emergency protests at all Israeli embassies (and beyond). Let Israel know that it cannot get away with its crimes against humanity!
 
To add your protest to the list, please email flotilla@gazafreedommarch.org or register your event here.
 
To find your nearest Israeli embassy, please click here.
 
Register Your Protest!
 
 

Pete m (67)
Monday May 31, 2010, 2:14 pm
I hear the well oiled zionist crapaganda machine is saying the organisers have links to Al CIAda & Islamic Jihad.

How long before we hear the murdered activists were the 'human shields' of' terrorists' , or the cargo was scud missiles I wonder?

Sam; ''How much more despicable can they get?''

I thought exactly the same after Lebanon 2006, then came Gaza 2008/9, now this.

Never underestimate the ability of the zionists to disgust decent people with their repulsive behaviour.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Monday May 31, 2010, 2:30 pm
The Swedish author Henning Mankell was on board one of the ships, which left Cyprus yesterday and had been due to arrive in Gaza today. The flotilla, which had been delayed by several days, was carrying around 650 activists and 10,000 tonnes of aid, including medical supplies and construction materials. The aim was to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which has been rigorously enforced for the past three years.

Leibovich defended Israel's action in international waters, saying it was permissible when a country's security was threatened.


Israel went too far and in International Waters! PR propaganda isn't going to
cover this up...:(
 

Janice P (55)
Monday May 31, 2010, 3:56 pm
I just came back from spending the day in the cemetery at the graves of my parents and my grandparents, where I was crying my eyes out, only to arrive home and learn of this travesty. For goodness sake, haven't we had enough killing and maiming? What happened to humanity? What happened to human decency? When humanitarian ships are boarded and attacked in this manner - and then those actions are attempted to be justified in ANY manner, we really have reached the depths of human depravity. Perhaps my parents are the fortunate ones. They do not have to witness any more such cruelty. The tears I shed after I came home and saw this on the news were for us. We are so very, very lost.
 

Dave C (867)
Monday May 31, 2010, 4:10 pm
Israel’s Latest Murder of Humanitarian Activists.

by Cynthia McKinney / May 31st, 2010

I am outraged at Israel’s latest criminal act. I mourn with my fellow Free Gaza travelers, the lives that have been lost by Israel’s needless, senseless act against unarmed humanitarian activists. But I’m even more outraged that once again, Israel’s actions have been aided and abetted by a U.S. political class that has become corrupted beyond belief due to its reliance on Zionist finance and penetration by Zionist zealots for whom no U.S. weapons system is too much for the Israeli war machine, and the silence of the world’s onlookers whose hearts have grown cold with indifference.

I recently visited the offices of IHH, the Turkish humanitarian organization that sponsored one of the Freedom Flotilla boats, and that was targeted by the Israelis for its murderous rampage. Reports are still coming in as to the full extent of the senseless Israeli violence. Of course, I expect Israel’s apologists in the press and in the United States government to shift into high gear to support Israel’s lying machine. Take note of their names. The 12,000 internet squatters/written word grenade throwers, hired by the Israeli Foreign Ministry to defend Israel and attack peace activists online, are already busy spreading their orchestrated disinformation in cyberspace. Be very careful what you read and believe from special interest press and the internet. You could be reading one of Israel’s hired hacks. As a news diversion from what Israel has just done, I suspect that we can also expect to see a lot of historical footage of war’s atrocities on television: today is Memorial Day in the United States, a day long ago set aside to remember the sacrifices of U.S. war dead.

I encouraged and supported U.S.S. Liberty veteran Joe Meadors’s participation in the Freedom Flotilla. Unfortunately, the fate of the U.S.S. Liberty innocents on the high seas, while in international waters, has now been visited upon the participants in the Freedom Flotilla, in large measure because of the Congressional- and Presidential-level cover-up of the 1967 Israeli attack on that U.S. surveillance ship. Combined with the failure of just about every other effort to hold Israel accountable for its crimes against humanity, war crimes, genocide, and crimes against the peace. Belgium and Spain changed their domestic laws of universal jurisdiction after Israeli appeals to do so. The entire musical chairs gang of rotating Israeli leadership are war criminals. During my imprisonment in Israel for attempting to take crayons to the children of Gaza, I called Israel a failed state. If Israel is threatened by unarmed, humanitarian activists to the point of massacring them, then Israel is a failed state. Israel is a failed nuclear state.

Obama’s most recent granting of an additional $205 million for Israeli “missile defense” is unconscionable, when in the same week, reports revealed for the first time, Israel’s offer of nuclear weapons to apartheid South Africa. Just last week, a paper bearing the signature of former Israeli Prime Minister, Shimon Peres, was released by South Africa, revealing that in 1975, Israel could offer South Africa nuclear weapons “in three sizes.” South Africa’s then-Minister of Defense, P.W. Botha, was South Africa’s signatory to the letter. This information would make the entire Obama Administration look sadly farcical as it points an accusing finger at Iran, except that U.S. obeisance to the Israeli bloodthirst is deadly serious. With deadly outcomes.

Earlier this month, Israel was granted admission to the Organization of Economic and Community Development (OECD), a direct affront to ongoing Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) efforts across the world. Once again, Israel has thumbed its nose at the global community–with bloody results–because it can.

I am proud to serve on the Bertrand Russell Tribunal on Palestine. Its next sitting will be in London, where we will examine corporate complicity in Israel’s crimes against Palestine. The Tribunal will sit from November 5-7. Please put this on your calendar. We all must do what we can, where we are to end wars against the people at home and wars against human rights abroad.

Finally, a friend just sent a message to me saying that the Israelis had lost their minds. Sadly, based on the past, the Israelis could very well conclude that they can do anything–imprison me for trying to take love to the children of Gaza and kill humanitarian activists trying to do the same–because they know, in the end, they’ll get away with it. Instead, I would suggest that we are the ones who have lost our minds, our souls, our spirits, and our human dignity if we allow the Israelis to get away with murder–again–and we do nothing.

I am calling on the people of the United States to change course now.

On this Memorial Day 2010, I am stunned and outraged beyond belief while mourning the dead of the Freedom Flotilla to Gaza.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/05/israels-latest-murder-of-humanitarian-activists/
 

Brad Miller (120)
Monday May 31, 2010, 5:19 pm
I just signed a CODEPINK petition asking Obama to join other Nobel Prize laureates in condemning the killing of the international humanitarian activists. Will you join me in signing onto this call to Obama to be a real leader?

Follow this link to sign the call now:
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/t/10579/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=2286
 

Nichole L (69)
Monday May 31, 2010, 5:21 pm
Speechless. I'm so sorry.
 

pj dickenson (27)
Monday May 31, 2010, 5:45 pm
Well said Pastor Tim.
 

Dave C (867)
Monday May 31, 2010, 5:49 pm
Pete.
I'd put money on a certain obnoxious character going under the name of Mark B.
 

h B (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 6:11 pm
Oh! for crying out loud! How many rocjkets are aimed at Israel and how many suicide bombers have devastated families in restaurants and on buses. They did the right thing!
 

Naoko i (257)
Monday May 31, 2010, 6:20 pm
Unforgivable act. Thanks Dave, of course noted.
 

Carole Cherne (35)
Monday May 31, 2010, 6:47 pm
When and how will this madness end? And when will we get honest, straight-forward coverage of these events from the main-stream media?
 

(0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 6:55 pm
Noted
 

Lisa S. (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 8:38 pm
Ezekiel 37: 21 Then say to them that Adonai Elohim says: 'I will take the people of Isra'el from among the nations where they have gone and gather them from every side and bring them back to their own land.

Genesis 12: 3 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, AND WHOEVER CURSES YOU I WILL CURSE; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

Be very careful people! Paster Tim, do you read the BIble! The word of GOD? Tsh Tsh
 

Lisa S. (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 8:51 pm

This was a comment from Pastor Tim;
"Please, engage brain before operating mouth,
and go away, Ralph;
You're slightly out-numbered at the moment."

Hmmm, slightly outnumbered, like Jesus was Pastor Tim?
 

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Monday May 31, 2010, 8:51 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

(0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 8:54 pm
While in shock and horror, we all fail to forget that this act comes right out of the Israeli plan book. Israel uses a technique known as strategic escalation. “The Holy Land: A Critical Analysis of Israel’s National Security and Foreign Policy, Zeev Maov, a well respected military historian, states “Israel low-intensity strategy was based on escalation dominance, that is disproportionate responses to provocations, as well as military initiatives not in response to specific provocations. At that same time, Israeli strategy tried to walk a fine line between outmatching the challenge with excessive force, on one hand and deflecting blame for escalating minor incidents to all-out wars”.

They used this to 1955 to invade Egypt, again in 1981 - 1982 with Lebanon, Gaza Massacre and now this. There is no way that the Palestinians will sit down to direct Peace Talks. Israel has already started a media spin war to fault the Humanitarian Activists and with typical fashion, Canada and the US have already shown that they will be complaint in Israel's cover up. The Palestinians will act and most likely through rocketry, which we all understand, but the Israel, US and Canada will condemn the Palestinians and side with Israel. They will not lose face in regard to the Peace Talks, because now in addition to blaming the Palestinians for the cessation of talks, they also will invoke the terrorism and security mantra giving them justification (in the eyes of their benefactor, the US and their side kick, Canada) to go and wage war at will. The sad thing is only the US and Canada who are so afraid to be called antisemetic from the largest racist organization on earth, they will stand by Israel, continue to send 7 million per day in military aid alone (from the US) which will be used to kill more of the civilian population. They have their act down pat.
 

pete O (242)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:43 pm
Thanks Dave update r/e turkeys position i hope others follow to protect their citazins
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/turkey-future-gaza-aid-ships-will-have-military-escorts/
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:51 pm
Lisa,
the verses you quote in Genesis and Ezekiel
are Almighty God speaking to Israel, that is,
the TRUE Jews........which the present-day Jews
and Israelis are NOT.
Yes, Lisa, I have read the Bible several times,
thank you very much, and now I have a question for you.......
actually, I have a few questions for you:
Have you ever heard of the Khazars?
How about the Ashkenazys?
After the Diaspora, where did the "10 lost tribes" of Israel go,
in which compass direction did they travel when they left the
Holy Land?
Which present day continent did they settle?
Who are their present-day descendants?
Answer these questions, Lisa,
get all the answers right, and it may amaze you
to learn who the 21st century "children of Israel" truly are!
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:52 pm
btw, Lisa?
We'll talk about Jesus after you
figure out who the true Jews are, 'kay?
 

. (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

A link to the video of the "peace Activists"
 

. (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:14 pm
Aren't you proud of them?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:58 pm
I remember seeing Michael Moore chastise Yasser Arafat regarding his tactics and "attempted T0 advice” Arafat that he should be using non-violent tactics. Today we see straight away how Zionists treat non-violence humanitarianism. It should now be understandable to all why Palestinians had to deploy self-defense tactics.
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Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 5:24 am
Lisa S; ''do you read the BIble! The word of GOD? Tsh Tsh ''

Now I'm an atheist but i did come across this little gem from the 'good' book the other week-

'' Micah 2:9 Hear this, you rulers of the house of Jacob and chiefs of the house of Israel, who abhor justice and pervert all equity, Woe to those who build Zion with bloodshed, who build Jerusalem with violent injustice. Its rulers give judgment for a bribe, its priests teach for a price, its prophets give oracles for money; yet they lean upon YAHWEH and say, "Surely God is with us! No harm shall come upon us." Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins.

In days to come the mountain of YAHWEH's house shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be raised up above the hills. Peoples shall stream to it, and many nations shall come and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain ofYAHWEH, to the house of the God of Jacob; that we may learn God's ways and that we may walk in right paths."
For out of Zion shall go forth instruction, and the word of YAHWEH from Jerusalem. God shall judge between many peoples, and shall arbitrate between strong nations far away; they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isaiah 4:2 On that day the branch of YAHWEH shall be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land shall be the pride and glory of the survivors of Israel. Whoever is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy, everyone who has been recorded for life in Jerusalem, once YAHWEH has washed away the filth of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning.''

Looks like 'God' has his plans well laid out for you 'filthy' lot. ;-)
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 5:30 am
Tim; I spotted some genuine Jews on TV yesterday speaking at the protest in London.

A Hasidic Jewish rabbi and friends who have the courage to stand up and denounce the apartheid state & demand justice for Palestinians & other victims of zionist racism.

Mucho respect to them!
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 5:42 am
Dave; Ditto Mark B. Also Val Beesley and Lisa S. ;-)

Hi Pete O! Checked your inbox lately bro?

Turkey is a member of NATO, and as such can call on NATO to respond if attacked by terrorists or states, as per the US did after 9/11.

What should happen now is an ultimatum to the Israeli govt to extradite all those under suspicion of crimes against humanity and responsible for the attack & murder of unarmed civilians on the high seas (piracy). Failure to do so will result in a short sharp dose of shock & awe followed by regime change as per Afghanistan.

This is all totally legal according to the Reich Wing, so let's get to it. Think of the war profits to be made , all in the genuinely noble cause of fighting racist oppression.
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 5:51 am
Jaye B; Unable to watch the vid (dial up) but I can hazard a guess it's an Israeli vid showing humanitarian workers (civilians) defending themselves however they can from an unprovoked assault by murderous pirates armed with sub-machine guns on the high seas. Many lost their lives doing so.

Too f***kin right I'm proud of 'em! As much as you should be ashamed of Israel.

 

. (0)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 5:52 am
Lisa, Arab Media campaign is running high here. Lots of Hamas supporters are in full force, to prove that majority means right. It does not.

It was the supporters of Turkish Islamic foundation sponsoring Al-Queda and Hamas, that started riots on the last ship to make PR bigger and louder. They attacked unarmed Israeli soldiers, who were expecting to re-direct the "peace activists". Those terrorists in disguise could not care less about delivering aid to Gaza: Israel would do that for them, like they did last time.

They wanted blood and a great spot in News, and they got it.

Shame on Turkey, for letting this provocation to happen.
 

. (0)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 6:12 am
Yu call it what you will Pete, they weren't even down off the ropes from the helicopter when they were set on with pipes and been pulled off the ropes. So if you are proud of them them I imagine you are of the ilk that says if this is OK than that must surely be OK. If I can condone this than I will condone that.

Hell of a way to achieve peace for sure. Lets just beat the living shit out of each other in the name of peace....yeah that's it.
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 8:03 am
If attacked by murderous pirates in international waters you have the right to defend yourself/ repel boarders with whatever you have to hand.
This is true whether the pirates are Bluebeard, Blackbeard, Somali or Israeli , or the ships occupants are peace activists or miltary personnel.

You pro Israeli turd-polishers aren't gonna manage to polish this particular gigantic horse turd, however hard you rub. But do keep trying. ;-)
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 8:47 am
You cannot currently send a star to Pete because you have done so within the last week.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks, Pete.
Proudly identifying myself as a member
of the Arab Media campaign.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 9:20 am
 
From Credo:
 
The U.S. should break the Gaza blockade
 
Brutal violence is commonplace. But usually it is not as public as the violent Memorial Day attack by Israeli Navy commandos on a flotilla of boats bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza. The flotilla was designed to bring public attention to the plight of civilians of Gaza, and it has done so.
 
Israel's action, undisputedly in international waters, was an ill conceived act of piracy condemned by essentially every nation other than the United States. The seizure of the flotilla of civilian ships is the consequence of a government committed to defending the inhumane siege and blockade of Gaza — rather than defending Israel itself.
 
Tell President Obama and Secretary Clinton: The United States must call for an end to Israel's blockade and take action to bring aid to the citizens of Gaza. Click here to sign our petition.
 
 
 

Bracha Katz (31)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 10:34 am
they were some peace activists. before they departed they sang "intifada, intifada, intifada! khaybar, khaybar, oh jews! The army of mohammed will return!" relating to a seventh century massacre of jews in khaybar by early muslims. see this video of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded
that was a peacefull start. but even before that, the 'humanatarian' organizations who were involved with it have a record of suppporting terrorism against israelis. the IHH does help humanitarian causes, but also supports hamas, global jihad and al-qaeda. the CIA reported that it helped terrorists in bosnia. the ISM(international solidarity movement), also involved in the flotilla, encourages activists to step in the path of israeli army vehicles and volenteers sometimes stay in the homes of suicide bombers. members met with 2 british suicide bombers before they blew a bar in tel aviv near the US embassy in april 2003.
the peaceful activists did not act so peaceful, watch these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRbcwnp-l8&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=player_embedded
as the isreali navy came onto the flotilla, passengers on the deck pulled out bats, clubs, and slingshots with glass marbles, and assaulted each soldier as he came on.
israel and egypt offered to take the aid through official, so if they didn't trust israel, they could have let egypt take it. do they also think egyptians are 'zionist thieves'?

it is sad that people were killed for this, if israel would have been prepared for armed violence, they might have braught weapons like teargas that wouldn't kill people.. may god bless us with peace.
 

(0)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 10:56 am
If Israel had not interfered 9 people would still be alive, humanitarian aid would have reached Gaza, and the world would have looked kindly on Israel.
 

Dave C (867)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 11:27 am
Israel: Full, Impartial Investigation of Flotilla Killings Essential - Human Rights Watch.

May 31, 2010

(New York) – Israel should promptly conduct a credible and impartial investigation into the deaths of at least 10 activists after Israeli security forces boarded ships that were part of an “aid flotilla” to Gaza, Human Rights Watch said today.

Human Rights Watch said that the incident, in which dozens of activists and several Israeli commandos were also reportedly wounded, raises grave concerns about possible unlawful and excessive use of lethal force.

“A prompt, credible, and impartial investigation is absolutely essential to determine whether the lethal force used by Israeli commandos was necessary to protect lives and whether it could have been avoided,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Given Israel's poor track record of investigating unlawful killings by its armed forces, the international community should closely monitor any inquiry to ensure it meets basic international standards and that any wrongdoers are brought to justice.”

According to reports, at 4 a.m. on May 31, Israeli commandos boarded ships of the aid flotilla. Approximately 700 activists were taking part in the 6-ship flotilla. The flotilla’s organizers said it was carrying humanitarian aid intended for Gaza, including cement, wheelchairs, and parts to repair water infrastructure. The activists said the ships were 70 nautical miles offshore when Israeli forces boarded the ships.

The Israeli government stated that activists on the ships violently resisted Israeli boarding forces, seriously wounding two soldiers. Activists aboard the ships stated that Israeli forces killed unarmed members of the humanitarian aid flotilla. Human Rights Watch has not yet been able to conduct its own investigation to determine which account is accurate. The government had warned the flotilla not to attempt to breach Israel’s blockade of Gaza.

“The Israeli government’s opposition to the flotilla initiative was well advertised, but does not address the main issues – did Israeli forces use unlawful lethal force aboard the ships, and could alternative steps have been taken that would have avoided the violence,” Whitson said.

Human Rights Watch called on Israel to grant all detained and injured flotilla members immediate access to counsel and their families, and to disclose the identities of all those injured and killed. According to the flotilla’s organizers, Israeli authorities have denied those detained in Ashdod port access to their lawyers, and have yet to disclose where the injured have been hospitalized. All communications from the flotilla and flotilla members have apparently been blocked, and the names of those killed have not been released.

Israel has blockaded Gaza's land and sea borders since Hamas seized control of the territory in June 2007. Egypt has been an essential partner in the blockade along Gaza’s southern border. The blockade, which amounts to the unlawful collective punishment of Gaza's civilian population, has severely damaged the economy, leaving 70 to 80 percent of Gazans in poverty and dependent on humanitarian aid.

The United Nations Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials provide that authorities shall, as far as possible, apply non-violent means before resorting to the use of force and firearms. The Principles provide that if the lawful use of force and firearms is unavoidable, then the authorities must use restraint and act in proportion to the seriousness of the offense. Lethal force may be used only when strictly unavoidable to protect life. The Basic Principles also call for an effective reporting and review process, especially in cases of death and serious injury.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/05/31/israel-full-impartial-investigation-flotilla-killings-essential
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 11:39 am
In the cause of greater understanding of the mind-set of those who defend this latest in the long line of Israeli atrocities against innocents, could the pro Israelis on this thread please complete the following sentence in 100 words or less-

I believe Israel should be exempt from all international humanitarian laws, treaties & maritime laws that govern the behaviour of the rest of the civilized world because....
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 11:42 am
...and then tuck into the aforementioned unpolished horse ****.
(Which shouldn't be too much of a prob for you cos judging by what you lot are posting you swallow plenty of it daily...)
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 12:02 pm
 
(From Global Research -- just received)

The Lone Ship of the Freedom Flotilla: The Rachel Corrie MV Continues to Sail Towards Gaza in Defiance of Israeli Threats
 
Following Israel's criminal raid in international waters on May 31st, the Rachel Corrie MV continues to sail towards the Gaza coastline in defiance of Israeli threats.
 
In an act of tremendous courage, the Rachel Corrie MV is determined to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.
 
"At noon today, I received the following message from Christopher Chang and Ram Kardigasu, on behalf of the Malaysian and Irish peace activists, who are on board the Rachel Corrie:
 
RACHEL CORRIE: MV Rachel Corrie is now the sole ship on the international freedom flotilla moving towards Gaza.
 
The Malaysian and Irish peace and humanitarian activists aboard share their deepest grief and sense of lost with the loved ones of those killed and injured in the illegal action undertaken by Israel on Monday 31st May 2010 in the international waters of the Mediterranean.
 
In the names of our friends, we are more determined than ever to continue into Gaza with our humanitarian cargo and our support for the blockaded and suffering people of Gaza.
 
We expect Israel to respond to the international condemnation of its violence by not impeding by any means the safe passage of the Rachel Corrie.
 
We appeal to the international community and United Nations to continue to demand Israel our safe passage into Gaza."
 
Jointly issued by Malaysians and Irish on board the Rachel Corrie.
 
Sent on behalf of the humanitarian activists on aboard the Rachel Corrie - by PGPO land team (Ram Karthigasu and Christopher Chang)
 
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 12:29 pm

Avaaz: Gaza: investigate the raid, end the blockade
Petition to governments and international organisations:
We call for an immediate, independent investigation into the flotilla assault, full accountability for those responsible, and the lifting of the Gaza blockade.
59.140 signed in less than a day...
 

Cheryl B (375)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 12:38 pm
ha you subscribing now Dave, dissent voice one of my favs='s noted, later love
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 12:48 pm
Oh, Carole, I've just found this; Aid ship Rachel Corrie + 2 others said still en route to Gaza #flotilla:

"* Israeli Navy ready to stop the 3 ships
* Israel detains 480 captured, deports 48
* Najib wants status of 11 captured Malaysians ascertained
* Pakatan wants emergency Parliament sitting to condemn Israel

KUALA LUMPUR: The humanitarian aid ship Rachel Corrie, which has six Malaysians on board, is pressing ahead in rough seas to breach the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

Two other ships are also going ahead to deliver aid despite fresh news reports on Tuesday that the Israeli Navy was standing ready to intercept the ships." Read it, the passenger list is impressive.

I knew that there were 9 ships in flotilla, and that 2 of them had mechanical problems. Later I've found that IDF had forced 6 ships to Ashdod. So, we have 3 ships on the way. Stay alert!
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 12:50 pm

BTW, this Avaaz page is very slow, be patient.
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 1:29 pm

See why:
"77,663 have signed in less than a day! Campaign launched 1 June 2010. Help us get to 200,000"
 

Lisa S. (0)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 1:43 pm
Hi Pete,
Sorry, please explain this statement:

"Looks like 'God' has his plans well laid out for you 'filthy' lot. ;-) "
 

Lisa S. (0)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 1:58 pm
Mark B-
Hello, thank you for the comment. Yes, you are right. From what I gathered from the news the Flotilla was asked to go somewhere so the ships could be inspected and they refused. The blockade is to prevent Hamas, which has fired thousands of rockets into the Jewish state, from building up its arsenal. It also wants to pressure Hamas to free an Israeli soldier it has held for four years.

Isreal is trying to proctect itself. We are so fortunate to be here in the United States of America where we can each speak freely by voicing our opinions without judgement or ridicule. We are so blessed.
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 3:42 pm
Lisa; after you-

I believe Israel should be exempt from all international humanitarian laws, treaties & maritime laws that govern the behaviour of the rest of the civilized world because....
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 4:12 pm
Just heard on Al Jazeera- NATO demanding immediate release of all detainees and ships still held by Israel.
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 4:28 pm
''A national demonstration in London this Saturday 5 June has been
called by Stop the War, CND, BMI and Viva Palestina. The Gaza
Flotilla March will assemble at Downing Street at 1.30 and march
to the Israeli Embassy.''

FOR UPDATES, PLEASE GO TO THE STOP THE WAR WEBSITE REGULARLY:
http://bit.ly/aEMHws

There was very widespread coverage of Monday's emergency
demonstration. For anyone who was not there , the video on the
Stop the War homepage (http://bit.ly/aEMHws) and the video of
speeches by Lowkey, Craig Murray, Salma Yaqoob, Jeremy Corbyn MP,
Lindsey German and others are not to be missed
(see http://bit.ly/dqjjs8 ).

http://stopwar.org.uk
 

Dave C (867)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 4:37 pm
ISRAELI AUTHORITIES URGED TO COMMISSION INTERNATIONAL INQUIRY

1 June 2010

Amnesty International's interim Secretary General called for an international inquiry into the deaths caused by the raid on the aid flotilla in international waters outside Gaza on Monday.

“Given the international nature of this incident and the continuing lack of credible Israeli investigations into violations of human rights in the context of the Gaza conflict, there is also a need for an immediate international investigation,” said Claudio Cordone, interim Secretary General of Amnesty International.

“The Israeli authorities have the primary responsibility to investigate the use of lethal force by its forces, as well as the claims by Israeli officials that Israeli forces were attacked with a range of weapons. But for full credibility and transparency, Israel should invite the relevant UN experts to carry out an investigation into the events of 31 May.

“Beyond this tragedy, however, it is imperative that Israel lifts the bloackade of Gaza without delay, as it is a form of collective punishment in contravention of international law and primarily affects the most vulnerable among the population.”

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/israeli-authorities-urged-commission-international-inquiry-2010-06-01
 

Lisa S. (0)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 5:06 pm
Hi Pete-
Fair enough, thats your opinion and I must respect that. I'm not the one you'll have to answer to on judgement day. I will definately pray for you. I feel really bad that you think you need to call people who don't think like you filfthy lots. Hmmm, you don't hear me behaving that way....so much anger in your writing.
 

Pete m (67)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 5:33 pm
Hmmm, you're saying *I* should be worried on judgment day? Let's go over some of the salient points of the prophecy I quoted, just in case you missed 'em-

''**Woe to those who build Zion with bloodshed, who build Jerusalem with violent injustice**.
Its rulers give judgment for a bribe, its priests teach for a price, its prophets give oracles for money; yet they lean upon YAHWEH and say, "Surely God is with us! No harm shall come upon us." Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins. ''

''...Whoever is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy, everyone who has been recorded for life in Jerusalem, once YAHWEH has washed away the **filth of Zion** and **cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning**.''

So, According to the prophecy if you support the ''filth of Zion'' (' Gods' words not mine) , then by 'Gods' definition you're 'filthy', you're gonna get judged & not very kindly by the sound of it, and I for one certainly won't be praying for YOU (cos I'm an atheist**. )

Don't worry tho, you won't be alone. There's millions of US Religious Right nazi fruitcakes who'll be judged alongside you and I bet they're gonna b mighty p'ed off when they realise that the rapture wasn't quite as heavenly as advertised. ROTFLMAO.

**Tho being a caring sort I might take the time to sign a petition for you.

Apologies to all for the uncharacteristic god/bible references.
 

Lisa S. (0)
Tuesday June 1, 2010, 6:09 pm
Hi Pete-
So I'm really trying to understand your point of view so please forgive me if I'm not catching on. If I have this right you are saying then the the filfth of Zion is the Jew that lives in Isreal today and those who support them or their land and the Palestinian is the people who will stay in Zion and be called Holy?
 

Dave C (867)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 12:06 am
George Galloway on the Flotilla Massacre:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oMQeYOkSBA&playnext_from=TL&videos=W_tIYVyA6LY
 

Dave C (867)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 12:49 am
Norman Finkelstein - Israel Is A Lunatic State:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUfA7w2SwRc&feature=player_embedded
 

Pete m (67)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 1:33 am
Sigh. And you're the one who started quoting scriptures in an attempt to justify Israels latest atrocity, and now try to make out that I'm an 'anti semite'.

''Woe to those who build Zion with bloodshed, who build Jerusalem with violent injustice**. ''
''...yet they lean upon YAHWEH and say, "Surely God is with us! No harm shall come upon us." Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins.''

'' ...Whoever is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy, everyone who has been recorded for life in Jerusalem,once YAHWEH has washed away the **filth of Zion** and **cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning**.''

So, If you are one who supports the 'building of Zion with bloodshed , who builds Jerusalem with violent injustice'' you will be judged accordingly. Whoever is left will be regarded as 'holy', which will be those Jews & others who live according to the true teachings of 'God' & oppose unjust,bloodthirsty, horse-thieving political zionism.

If you don't like what 'God' has to say in the matter when it runs contrary to your belief that 'God' has given Zionists carte blanche to torture , murder & steal from non-Jews in order to create their state, then please kindly refrain from quoting scripture in the future.

Even tho I'm an atheist, on judgment day I can ask for a little leniency and point out that I have opposed unjust, bloodthirsty, horse-thieving zionists with a passion, unlike you.

Now , I have taken the time to patiently answer your queries, it's your turn-

I believe Israel should be exempt from all international humanitarian laws, treaties & maritime laws that govern the behaviour of the rest of the civilized world because....
 

Brigitte T (69)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 2:06 am
Gaza flotilla - Eye witness accounts of Israeli raid
BBC
6/1/10


Passengers aboard the Gaza-bound aid flotilla have been describing the drama of the moment that Israeli forces raided their ships.

Speaking on their return to Germany, Greece and Turkey on Tuesday, the activists said that commandos had administered electric shocks and beaten passengers during the assault. Israel says its troops acted in self-defence.


Norman Paech, a former member of Parliament for Germany's Left Party, was aboard the Mavi Marmara, the largest of the six ships in the convoy.

Speaking at a news conference in Berlin, he said the ship was surrounded by small Israeli assault boats on Monday morning at about 0430 local time.

"Moments later, we heard detonations and then soldiers from helicopters above us dropped down on board.
"The soldiers were all masked, carrying big guns and were extremely brutal."

Mr Paech said he only saw three activists resisting.

"They had no knives, no axes, only sticks that they used to defend themselves," he told reporters.

But he said he could "not rule out" that others used weapons somewhere else on the boat.


Turkish activist Nilufer Cetin told reporters she hid with her baby in the bathroom of her cabin aboard the Mavi Marmara.


"When the Mavi Marmara continued on its course, the harassment [from Israeli ships] turned into an attack," she said.

"They used smoke bombs followed by gas canisters. They started to descend onto the ship with helicopters.
"It [the violence] was extremely bad and brutal. The ship turned into a lake of blood.

"I was one of the first victims to be released because I had a child. They confiscated everything, our telephones, laptops are all gone.
"We were aware of the possible danger [in joining the trip] but there are thousands of babies in Gaza. If we had reached Gaza we would have played with them and taken them food."
Activist Dimitris Gielalis, who had been aboard the Sfendoni, was among six Greeks who returned home on Tuesday.
"Suddenly from everywhere we saw inflatables coming at us, and within seconds fully equipped commandos came up on the boat," he said.

"They came up and used plastic bullets, we had beatings, we had electric shocks, any method we can think of, they used."

Mr Gielalis said the boat's captain was beaten for refusing to leave the wheel, and had sustained non-life-threatening injuries, while a cameraman filming the raid was hit with a rifle butt in the eye.
"Of course we weren't prepared for a situation of war," he said.

Aris Papadokostopoulos was aboard the Free Mediterranean, travelling behind the Mavi Marmara and carrying mainly Greek and Swedish activists.

"The Turkish ship [the Mavi Marmara] was in front of us... on which there was a terrible raid from the air and from the sea and from everywhere, with shooting.

Mr Papadokostopoulos said that aboard the other boats, commandos beat activists but nobody was gravely injured.

He said no one put up resistance on the Free Mediterranean, which was carrying a cargo of wheelchairs, building material and medical and pharmaceutical aid.

"Some people were hit by clubs and electric shocks. During their interrogation, many of them were badly beaten in front of us," he said.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10206802.stm




 

Pete m (67)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 3:38 am
Thanks Brigitte! and BTW, did you receive my PM a cupla weeks back?
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 6:40 am
The BBC footage shows Israeli soldiers attacked with sticks as soon as they boarded the ship.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/10199480.stm

IHH which sponsored the ship is funding terrorist organizations: Al-Queda, Hamas, and was interested to raise the stakes.

Shame on Turkey and its Islamist leader Erdogan for staging that tragic event and for leading Turkey from moderation to extremism!

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 6:59 am

What a distorted mind!

A ship, in international waters, is beseiged by HEAVILY ARMED thugs with NO AUTHORITY to board . . .

Whether the TRESPASSERS had already used the weapons (which I believe) or NOT -- the passengers had EVERY right to defend themselves with whatever was available. In this case, it was metal bars, chairs and brute force vs. an arsenal of military weapons, including automatic rifles!

Have you become so brainwashed that you now think Israel has every right (in their own country or wherever they wish) to initiate aggression against others (which they did, by boarding the ships) and that their victims should not even attempt to protect themselves???

FRIGHTENINGLY DELUDED!


 

Casey Reed (44)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 9:27 am
If god was real and logic was based on the physics of cartoons, we wouldn't need to learn anything because our parent=father=god would take care of US. This simple minded "horse shit" is THE most damaging mindset people could employ to understand anything. Because people that believe in god do NOT understand the real world, they make their fantasy cartoon logic rubric based mythology real and the rest of reality can laugh while they eat their own "horse shit."

The biggest problem in the world's culture wars today is religion.
 

Dave C (867)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 9:52 am
Israeli MP - Soldiers Started Shooting Before Boarding Flotillas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHwVQTnyvk&playnext_from=TL&videos=HNCyo91FFVA&feature=sub
 

Pete m (67)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 10:44 am
Hi Casey; I believe that Lisa will be back just as soon as she's finished her latest enormous helping of unpolished horse****. ;-)
 

Ben O (140)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 11:52 am
Gaza: investigate the raid, end the blockade!
Please sign the Avaaz petition:
"We call for an immediate, international investigation into the flotilla assault, full accountability for those responsible, and the lifting of the Gaza blockade"
http://www.avaaz.org/en/gaza_flotilla/?cl=591760634&v=6403
260,598 have signed since 1 June 2010. Help us get to our new target of 300,000

 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 12:15 pm
Dave C ~ Thank you for this post. I so admire McKinney and feel she would make a great leader of this nation. Many great comments here...too many to mention. I'm sickened by this latest atrocity by Israel, but not surprised. This is their MO (method of operating) and quite predictable. I've come to expect that when Israel is opposed to a threat or doing something they do not want to do, you can expect them to commit another atrocity. Yes, Obama wants answers ASAP, and even though I generally support him, I think he will do nothing about this as the US supports this INSANE LUNATIC country of Israel with blindness. As Pete M's quote of scripture indicates, Israel's day of judgement will come.

I appreciate the links to petitions posted in this thread. To be most effective, I suggest anyone posting articles in C2NN also post petitions in support of your cause. Don't waste a good moment and all the signatures you might gain in that thread. With that said, here's an interesting article on the subject:

Israel’s Premeditated Murder of Activists Was No Mistake

If you think about it, Israel’s calculated murder of peace activists on a mission to break the siege of Gaza makes perfect sense. A lot of observers were baffled that Netanyahu’s government inflated the importance of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla which was delivering vital humanitarian aid to the largest concentration camp in the world but had the secondary mission of publicizing the brutal and illegal siege of Gaza. To casual observers, it seemed like Israel’s belligerent posture was amplifying the international media attention given to the flotilla. It seemed so counter- productive for the Israelis to hand the peace activists what amounted to a nuclear powered bull horn.

The only excuse that Netanyahu and Lieberman could make for their seemingly irrational obsession with the supply ships was that the peace activists on board where delegitimizing Israel. The Israelis couldn’t make the usual ‘security’ arguments about terrorist threats - not with so many unarmed European Parliamentarians and peace activists on board. So they dreamed up a new category of criminals nobody has ever heard of before - de-legitimizers. There are millions of decent people who abhor Zionism and view Israel as a racist Jewish supremacist state. Israel and her supporters can argue with that, but since when has delegitimizing Israel been a capital crime that justified piracy on the high seas?

The flotilla was in international waters when it was assaulted - seventy miles from its destination. It was a pre-dawn raid and, in an operation of this sort, the darkness elevated the risk of inflicting unnecessary casualties. Quite a few journalists were on board and the dark offered the Israelis a veil to ward off any cameras that could clearly document that the violence was premeditated.

The overwhelming evidence suggests that this Israeli raid was planned, perfectly timed and achieved its desired objective - to scuttle a scheduled meeting with Obama. What else would explain the hurry? Was there a clock ticking away? The answer to that question is yes. Only a few precious hours remained for Netanyahu to weasel his way out of an appointment at the White House. That might help explain the smug self-satisfied look on Netanyahu’s face when he announced the cancelation of the visit.
The scheduled meeting at the White House was no ordinary tete-a-tete. It was a carefully orchestrated event. A week earlier, Obama had dispatched Rohm Emanuel to Jerusalem to butter up Netanyahu. According to news reports, Israel's prime minister was given "unequivocal assurances" from the US President that an accord agreeing to talks on a nuclear weapons-free Mideast would not endanger the Jewish state. The assurances included a significant upgrade of Israel's strategic and deterrent capabilities and a promise that no UN resolutions would be adopted that would hurt Israel’s ‘vital interests.’ One has to presume that Obama’s promises included blanket amnesty for last year’s war crimes in Gaza. As a bonus, Netanyahu stopped in Europe to pick up membership in the OEDC - making Israel the only wealthy country in the world to get lavish American aid."
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 12:34 pm
http://www.avaaz.org/en/gaza_flotilla/?cl=591760634&v=6403
262,591 have signed since 1 June 2010. Help us get to our new target of 300,000

I have signed. Thanks Ben, Jelica and Carole for the petitions!
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 2:34 pm
"I guess there is no place to mourn the murder of peace activists on Care2! "

Sam...Yes, there is a place to mourn...

http://www.care2.com/news/member/456093751/1558632
 

Jelica R (144)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 4:22 pm

Petitions:

Avaaz: Gaza:
investigate the raid, end the blockade


CREDOaction: The U.S. should break the Gaza blockade

FStreet: Turning Tragedy to Action

End the Occupation: Contact the White House

JVfP: Tell Congress and Obama No Aid for Siege of Gaza or Attacks on Allies; US citizens

JVfP: Tell Obama to make Israel accountable to international law: non-US citizens

War on Want: Call on the UK government to hold Israel to account for the Gaza Freedom Flotilla attack

JVfP: Jewish Leaders: Denounce Israel's Increasing Repression

AAPER: Urge Obama Admin. to Condemn Israeli Attack on Freedom Flotilla, Call for End to Gaza Siege

OBAMA: Condemn Israeli commando assault on Gaza Freedom Flotilla
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 4:38 pm
Thank you, Jelica!! We can always count on you to provide petitions.

Folks, we can complain and be outraged all we want. But if you sign petitions, you are making your voice heard. Please sign all petitions that come your way on any causes of importance to you. You CAN make a difference!

PETITION: We can't afford to give $3 billion to Israel
http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/issues/alert/?alertid=14926411
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday June 2, 2010, 5:47 pm
Jelica...I'm unable to access these two links above:

JVfP: Tell Congress and Obama No Aid for Siege of Gaza or Attacks on Allies; US citizens

JVfP: Tell Obama to make Israel accountable to international law: non-US citizens
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 3, 2010, 5:18 am
 
AT LAST!
 
Michael D Higgins TD speaking on the Dáil motion about Interception of Gaza humanitarian Flotilla
 
(My thanks to Pamylle for making me aware of this.)
 
 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday June 3, 2010, 8:37 am

The Jewish Voice for Peace Petitions again, with raw links:

JVfP: Tell Congress and Obama No Aid for Siege of Gaza or Attacks on Allies; US citizens
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3946

JVfP: Tell Obama to make Israel accountable to international law: non-US citizens
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3951

Checked. This should work!
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 3, 2010, 8:38 am
 
Of course, my hero -- Dennis Kucinich -- is ON IT!
 
by Congressman Dennis Kucinich Washington, Jun 2, 2010
 
Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) is today beginning to circulate to colleagues the following letter concerning the commando raid by Israel upon a Turkish ship in international waters:
 
June 2, 2010
 
The Honorable Barack Obama President of the United States The White House
Washington, DC 20500
 
Dear Mr. President,
 
Israeli commandos, acting at the direction of the State of Israel, attacked and seized a Turkish ship in international waters, in the Mediterranean Sea.
 
At least nine were killed in the incident aboard the Mavi Marmara. Hundreds of civilians were taken into custody and goods were confiscated. Since the United States considers Israel our most important ally in the region, whose survival is a of primary concern, it is incumbent upon the Commander in Chief to call Israel to an accounting for its conduct in planning and executing the deadly military attack in international waters upon a peaceful flotilla carrying citizens from over 50 countries.
 
The State of Israel’s conduct, attacking a Turkish ship in international waters, constitutes an act of belligerence against Turkey, which at one time Israel considered an important ally. It also undermines United States’ troops efforts in Iraq, since your administration’s efforts to achieve stability in the region and to withdraw troops from Iraq has depended upon Turkey’s cooperation through use of its air bases.
 
In its violent commando raid on the Mavi Marmara, the government of Israel showed no concern as to how its conduct may affect the lives of defenseless, innocent people, its friends and allies, and in particular the United States. The United States must remind Israel as well as all of our other friends and allies:
 
It is not acceptable to repeatedly violate international law.
 
It is not acceptable to shoot and kill innocent civilians.
 
It is not acceptable to commit an act of aggression against another U.S. ally.
 
It is not acceptable to continue a blockade which denies humanitarian relief.
 
It is not acceptable to heighten tensions in a region while the United States continues to put so much blood and treasure on the line.
 
The State of Israel’s action necessitates that the United States, which is Israel’s partner in the region, begin to redefine its relationship and to establish such boundaries and conditions which are sufficient for mutual respect and cooperation.
 
It is incumbent upon Israeli officials to bring forth the truth about the planning for and the attack upon the Mavi Marmara.
 
No one questions the right of Israel to defend its border, but that defense does not extend to shooting innocent civilians anywhere in the world, anytime it pleases.
 
Israel must account for our support, for the lives of our soldiers, for the investment of billions from our taxpayers. Israel owes the United States more than reckless, pre-meditated violence waged against innocent people.
 
The attack on the Mavi Marmara requires consequences for the Netanyahu Administration and for the State of Israel. Those consequences must be dealt by the United States. They must be diplomatic and they must be financial. The U.S. can begin by calling for an independent international inquiry of the Mavi Marmara incident. The integrity of such inquiry necessitates that it not be led by the nation whose conduct is under scrutiny. If our nation fails to act in any substantive way, the United States licenses the violence and we are complicit in it and our own citizens will be forced to pay the consequences.
 
We the undersigned deeply regret the loss of life. We are also fully aware of the dangers to world security which exist in the region, which is why the United States has been unstinting it its defense of Israel. We have a right to expect that Israel not add to those dangers with military conduct which all people of good will know is neither defensible nor moral. There must be consequences for such conduct. We await your response.
 
Sincerely,
 
[Dennis Kucinich]
 
 

Dave C (867)
Thursday June 3, 2010, 8:50 am
Israel Rejects Int'l Probe Into Raid as New Gaza Flotilla About to Sail. . .

Nine activists killed during the Israeli storming of a Gaza aid flotilla have been buried in Istanbul. All but one were Turkish, the other was a U.S. national of Turkish origin. Their bodies arrived in Turkey earlier on Thursday alongside hundreds of detainees deported by Tel Aviv. Israel decided to send home some 700 activists from various countries as international condemnation grew over its troops' actions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rvUZp6VWwM&playnext_from=TL&videos=PbBqiI9gzHk
 

Marion Y (322)
Thursday June 3, 2010, 9:51 am
Jelica...Thanks for the links. They work!

Carole...More and more international leaders are speaking out about this outrage. I have a feeling something will be done this time. Good on Kucinich! He's a true humanitarian with the courage to act among those weasels in government. Thank you!

Dave C...Of course Israel will reject the probe. They're liars. Edward Peck, a retired career United States diplomat who served thirty-two-years in the U.S. Foreign Service, was among the activists who were unarmed in that flotilla. He was unharmed, but stated the Israelis took over their ship, were armed, and took them to Israel. This is a PROMINENT DIPLOMAT for over 30 years of service, who served under Jimmy Carter as well. Peck is making the MSM circuit with his statement and he is credible. Of course Netanyahu doesn't want an investigation. Do we really need one?
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 3, 2010, 12:14 pm
The Legal Framework of International Law
 
The Attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla by Israeli Navy Commandos on May 31, 2010
 
Crimes against the Peace and Crimes against Humanity
 
By Lynda Bray
 
During the pre-dawn hours of May 31, 2010, the Israeli Navy attacked the six civilian vessels of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla.  The attack took place in international waters against ships flying under national flags of countries with which Israel is not at war, namely Turkey, Greece and the United States.  The ships were carrying civilians from more than sixteen countries.
 
Salient points:
 
Since no state of war existed at the time, the attack on these vessels constitutes an act of war against those governments under whose flags the vessels were sailing.
 
The attack falls within the purview of the ius ad bellum, those laws which govern the resort to armed conflict.  Israel’s action does not fall into the category of the ius in bello or the laws which govern the actual conduct of war.
 
Because this attack was carried out in international waters, the status of the relationship between Hamas, or any other Palestinian body, and the state of Israel is of no relevance whatsoever.  Likewise, neither the blockade of Gaza nor Israel’s claims and legal interpretations regarding it has any bearing on its acts of aggression in international waters.
 
 
This is not an act of piracy.  Piracy is an act of aggression carried out in international waters by individuals and not by states.
 
The following internationally binding treaties, charters, and agreements are relevant to the attack by Israel:
 
1. Article 6 of the Charter Provisions of the Nuremburg Trials
 
(a) Crimes against Peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation, or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;
 
(b) Crimes against Humanity:  namely murder…deportation, and any other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war...in execution of or in connection with any crime…whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated.
 
2. 1907 Hague Regulation Convention (XI) Relative to Certain Restrictions with Regard to the Exercise of the Right of Capture in Naval War
 
Chapter II – The Exemption from Capture of Certain Vessels
 
Article 4.  Vessels charged with religious, scientific, or philanthropic missions are likewise exempt from capture.
Salient points:
 
The standard for judging the Israeli acts is objective and not subjective. It is irrelevant what Israeli ministers, generals, admirals, or soldiers thought or intended.  The test is in what they did.
 
What they did was engage in acts of war using weapons of war in international waters against vessels that are protected not only in peacetime but also in times of war.
 
Israel has therefore committed both crimes against the peace and crimes against humanity.
 
These are crimes that have international jurisdiction.  Israeli political and military personnel can be named in trials held in any and all countries of the world.  If the Israelis do not attend the trials, they can be tried in abstentia, and those decisions in which the Israelis are found guilty can be executed anywhere in the world.
 
Because unarmed civilians were murdered by a preplanned military attack, capital crimes have been committed.  While it would appear that the international community no longer finds capital punishment civilized, the punishments for these capital crimes can be multiple life sentences.
 
These crimes give rise to damage claims for huge sums of money and Israeli accounts can be blocked using decisions finding them guilty.
 
The unarmed vessels were on a philanthropic mission, carrying civilians and humanitarian supplies.  Even if Israel were in a state of war with any of these countries, it would be prohibited from capturing the vessels according to the terms of the Hague Convention of 1907.
 
Conclusion:
 
It follows, therefore, that Israel was first of all not allowed to attack these vessels militarily, and then not to board these vessels by force, capture these vessels, attack the passengers, imprison them on the vessels, forcibly remove them from the vessels, and steal their private property in the form of cameras, computers, clothes, etc.
 
 
Every single act carried out by the Israeli military forces in international waters no May 31, 2010, are unqualifiedly and absolutely violations of international law.
 
Lynda Brayer is an Israeli human rights lawyer who specialized in the laws of war and international law in representing Palestinians.  She is a graduate of the Hebrew University Faculty of Law and lives in Haifa.   She can be reached at lyndabrayer@yahoo.com
 
Appendix: The Gaza Freedom Flotilla included six vessels on May 31, 2010 1. Mavi Marmara, passenger boat, Turkey 2. Sofia, cargo ship, Greece 3. Gaza I, cargo ship, Turkey 4. Gaza II, cargo ship, Turkey 5. Spendoni,  passenger ship, Greece
6. Challenger I, passenger ship, United States
 
At least nine passengers were killed, eight Turkish citizens and one U.S. citizen, Furkan Dogan, 19. The majority of the passengers aboard the ships were Turkish citizens.  There were also nationals from Britain, Australia, Greece, Canada, Malaysia, Algeria, Serbia, Belgium, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Kuwait and the United States.
Three German parliamentarians were aboard the Turkish boat that was stormed. There were also two Palestinian Members of the Knesset.  Swedish author Henning Mankell was also on board the flotilla.
 
TAKE ACTION:
 
Despite Israeli spin-doctors, and Israel firsters in the United States, it’s clear that Israel has broken international laws. Contact your government to call for an independent international investigation of Israel’s attack on the flotilla, an end to the Gaza blockade, and an immediate halt to U.S. aid to Israel.
 
Phone the White House: 202-456-1414 or 202-456-1111. Or contact President Barack Obama by e-mail http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
 
Phone the U.S. State Department Public Information Line: 202-647-6575 ext 1
 
Contact your members of Congress: http://contactingthecongress.org/
 
Contact your local newspapers, radio stations, religious leaders… everyone you know. Click here to subscribe to the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
 
 

Abo r (107)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 12:08 am
Noted.
Why US is not standing for such crimes of murder, because of the election votes simply like that.
Us leaders history speaks , invest your country money on your people... be courageous and say no to israel.
 
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